Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Living in Switzerland > Complaints corner
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #141  
Old 26.12.2015, 21:44
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Zurich
Posts: 4,641
Groaned at 152 Times in 118 Posts
Thanked 9,549 Times in 3,211 Posts
k_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond repute
Re: accused of shoplifting, but not really?

Quote:
View Post
It seems the offender changed gender somewhere along the way.
I'm finding this whole story more than a wee bit suspicious to be perfectly honest. I think there must be more to it than we are being told.
per internet tradition, "a friend" is generally the OP themselves but in an embarrassing situation
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank k_and_e for this useful post:
  #142  
Old 26.12.2015, 21:47
Belgianmum's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Was Belgium now Neuchâtel
Posts: 8,195
Groaned at 60 Times in 57 Posts
Thanked 10,208 Times in 4,909 Posts
Belgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond repute
Re: accused of shoplifting, but not really?

Quote:
View Post
per internet tradition, "a friend" is generally the OP themselves but in an embarrassing situation
Obviously but you'd think s/he'd be able to remember what sex he was wouldn't you?
I mean you either stick with the one you actually are or you pretend to be of the opposite sex but you don't generally go for a sex change halfway through.
Reply With Quote
The following 6 users would like to thank Belgianmum for this useful post:
  #143  
Old 26.12.2015, 22:59
Ace1's Avatar
A singular modality
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Engelberg & near Basel
Posts: 5,855
Groaned at 167 Times in 120 Posts
Thanked 8,886 Times in 3,980 Posts
Ace1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: accused of shoplifting, but not really?

Quote:
View Post
And this was the "Christmas" thread
What exactly is that supposed to mean?
Reply With Quote
  #144  
Old 26.12.2015, 23:06
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Zurich
Posts: 4,641
Groaned at 152 Times in 118 Posts
Thanked 9,549 Times in 3,211 Posts
k_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond repute
Re: accused of shoplifting, but not really?

Quote:
View Post
Obviously but you'd think s/he'd be able to remember what sex he was wouldn't you?
This is EF. Don't assume
Reply With Quote
  #145  
Old 26.12.2015, 23:08
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Zürich
Posts: 1,784
Groaned at 41 Times in 31 Posts
Thanked 2,049 Times in 922 Posts
ZuriRollt has a reputation beyond reputeZuriRollt has a reputation beyond reputeZuriRollt has a reputation beyond reputeZuriRollt has a reputation beyond reputeZuriRollt has a reputation beyond repute
Re: accused of shoplifting, but not really?

Quote:
View Post
What exactly is that supposed to mean?
Exactly that.
Reply With Quote
  #146  
Old 27.12.2015, 00:13
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: ZURICH
Posts: 46
Groaned at 2 Times in 1 Post
Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts
swagata.manna has no particular reputation at present
Re: accused of shoplifting, but not really?

its a she, not a he. that was a typo because i am using a mobile and my s seems to be mised. Moreover its very embarrassing situation, and lets keep the identity unknown. All we want to know is the consequences so that the person can take pre cautionary measures.

Last edited by swagata.manna; 27.12.2015 at 01:44.
Reply With Quote
  #147  
Old 27.12.2015, 02:04
Jim2007's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Kt. Bern
Posts: 2,079
Groaned at 34 Times in 32 Posts
Thanked 2,063 Times in 1,052 Posts
Jim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: accused of shoplifting, but not really?

Quote:
View Post
its a she, not a he. that was a typo because i am using a mobile and my s seems to be mised. Moreover its very embarrassing situation, and lets keep the identity unknown. All we want to know is the consequences so that the person can take pre cautionary measures.
If the individual is convicted of a criminal offense then it is unlikely that their permit will be renewed. Furthermore the refusal decision will be known to most EU states and as such it is unlikely that these states will be willing to issue a work permit either in the future.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank Jim2007 for this useful post:
  #148  
Old 27.12.2015, 04:35
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Ostschweiz
Posts: 3,018
Groaned at 99 Times in 79 Posts
Thanked 3,733 Times in 1,935 Posts
Urs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond repute
Re: accused of shoplifting, but not really?

Quote:
View Post
Obviously but you'd think s/he'd be able to remember what sex he was wouldn't you?
I mean you either stick with the one you actually are or you pretend to be of the opposite sex but you don't generally go for a sex change halfway through.
The problem with omissions and lies, whenever they're used, and I'm not saying this applies to this thread, is that one needs to remember them while facts usually take care of themselves.
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank Urs Max for this useful post:
  #149  
Old 27.12.2015, 12:11
gata's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Geneva
Posts: 3,508
Groaned at 72 Times in 52 Posts
Thanked 3,123 Times in 1,483 Posts
gata has a reputation beyond reputegata has a reputation beyond reputegata has a reputation beyond reputegata has a reputation beyond reputegata has a reputation beyond reputegata has a reputation beyond repute
Re: accused of shoplifting, but not really?

Quote:
View Post
its a she, not a he. that was a typo because i am using a mobile and my s seems to be mised. Moreover its very embarrassing situation, and lets keep the identity unknown. All we want to know is the consequences so that the person can take pre cautionary measures.
Paying more attention for example?
Reply With Quote
  #150  
Old 27.12.2015, 12:13
st2lemans's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lugano
Posts: 18,065
Groaned at 924 Times in 720 Posts
Thanked 19,581 Times in 9,429 Posts
st2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond repute
Re: accused of shoplifting, but not really?

Quote:
View Post
All we want to know is the consequences so that the person can take pre cautionary measures.
a) don't steal

b) there is no b

Tom
Reply With Quote
The following 5 users would like to thank st2lemans for this useful post:
  #151  
Old 27.12.2015, 12:16
fatmanfilms's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Verbier
Posts: 13,715
Groaned at 209 Times in 181 Posts
Thanked 11,027 Times in 6,254 Posts
fatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond repute
Re: accused of shoplifting, but not really?

Quote:
View Post
its a she, not a he. that was a typo because i am using a mobile and my s seems to be mised. Moreover its very embarrassing situation, and lets keep the identity unknown. All we want to know is the consequences so that the person can take pre cautionary measures.
Well 'he' was written 3 times in 2 posts & 'she' was written 4 times in 1 post.
So your explanation has dug you further into a hole
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank fatmanfilms for this useful post:
  #152  
Old 27.12.2015, 16:26
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 198
Groaned at 4 Times in 2 Posts
Thanked 114 Times in 70 Posts
Caryl has earned the respect of manyCaryl has earned the respect of manyCaryl has earned the respect of many
Re: accused of shoplifting, but not really?

Quote:
View Post
Oh, You should have had shopped them into the tax authorities!
Marks and Spencer didn't give receipts either before Britain's entry into the EEC.
Reply With Quote
  #153  
Old 27.12.2015, 16:35
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 198
Groaned at 4 Times in 2 Posts
Thanked 114 Times in 70 Posts
Caryl has earned the respect of manyCaryl has earned the respect of manyCaryl has earned the respect of many
Re: accused of shoplifting, but not really?

Quote:
View Post
As a non-EU person, one could lose residency because of one shoplifting record.
I bought my umbrella at the supermarket, and I still carry the receipt with me one year afterwards, just to be on the safe side.
I was in the Canadian Forces Exchange in Lahr (Germany) with our then-small children in 1982. An Exchange manager haughtily told us that the children should not be consuming drinks that were not paid for. Indeed they were not: I produced the receipt.

As in most such cases she walked away unabashed.

I can understand how and why it is so difficult to reverse and unwind the conviction of someone unjustly accused. And that so many prosecutors resist DNA testing of old evidence.

Justice is rarely just. I am reminded of the immigration judge who said he knows that only about 15% of applicants in front of him are genuine refugees eligible for asylum but he doesn't know which applicants they are, just how many applications he should grant.

But then it was Oliver Wendell Holmes (speaking to a young Learned Hand) who said that he wasn't there to "do justice" but rather "to play the game by the rules". http://uniset.ca/terr/art/dojustice.html
Reply With Quote
  #154  
Old 27.12.2015, 16:43
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 198
Groaned at 4 Times in 2 Posts
Thanked 114 Times in 70 Posts
Caryl has earned the respect of manyCaryl has earned the respect of manyCaryl has earned the respect of many
Re: accused of shoplifting, but not really?

Quote:
View Post
In Britain there are many small shops within large stores. I know, the same occurs here, and the small shop sells it's own stock using it's own sales point.

The point is, a customer was accused of stealing when they took an item and moved to another part of the sales floor. They were found guilty of shop lifting as technically they left the small shop and entered the large shop.

I am always careful to ask anybody nearby, where can I pay please?
That, by itself, would not be a crime of shoplifting under the Theft Act 1968:

46 (V)
Shoplifting Classification (1 of 1)
Theft from shops and stalls.
Theft Act 1968 Sec 1(pt).
CLARIFICATION - RECORDED CRIME: SHOP UNIT
The following should not be counted as shop units:
e) Departments within a department store f) Franchises within a store
https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...april-2015.pdf

In any event, department stores in Britain, like department stores in Switzerland (Manor, at least), have a limited number of cash desks and these desks collect payment for all or most goods sold within the store. Though perhaps not for high-value jewellery unless the jewellery salesperson accompanies the customer to pay.

Whether it is wise to carry goods from one floor to another is a different matter.
Reply With Quote
  #155  
Old 27.12.2015, 16:57
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 198
Groaned at 4 Times in 2 Posts
Thanked 114 Times in 70 Posts
Caryl has earned the respect of manyCaryl has earned the respect of manyCaryl has earned the respect of many
Re: accused of shoplifting, but not really?

Quote:
View Post
does she frequently scan items and then cancel them?
I have no doubt a record is kept of scanned then cancelled items, if only for statistical purposes. Just as unpaid (i.e. cancelled) goods baskets on Internet shops are an important source of marketing intelligence. Several times I've had follow-up emails aimed at getting me back to the site and buying the goods.

But one of the (several) times my self-scanned shopping trolley was re-scanned at checkout in Coop was when I had cancelled several items, and I came to suspect that was one of the reasons for the verification. It makes sense.

But Waitrose has never, ever, re-checked my purchases. And I am in Waitrose far more often than in Coop.
Reply With Quote
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Sort of New but Not Quite Really Dougal's Breakfast Introductions 41 24.02.2012 11:06
New to the forum, but not really new in Switzerland mensi Introductions 2 26.07.2008 22:03
New but not really... emmy Introductions 4 30.01.2008 16:30
Not really new,but never introduced myself! Irish in Lausanne caroline971 Introductions 6 23.08.2007 15:27
Job of a lifetime - but not in Switzerland UKPenguin Jobs wanted 13 13.05.2007 22:49


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 20:06.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0