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Old 21.04.2016, 12:15
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Oh my god you are so right. As a pedestrian I have never been stopped.
The only people I have ever seen stopped whilst walking along a shopping street in the middle of the day are black people. I've seen it more than once in Affoltern a/A, police drive past and do a u-turn and ask blacks for ID. They are not looking for anybody in particular, they are just provocative.

The checks on trains are almost always checking everybody, the only time I saw something different was on a train back from Winterthur to Zurich HB late at night in first class. The SBB guy always checks (and had done so) but when a group of 4 lads came in and sat there he took one look and decide he had checked enough for that day. Don't blame him
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Old 21.04.2016, 12:24
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The only people I have ever seen stopped whilst walking along a shopping street in the middle of the day are black people. I've seen it more than once in Affoltern a/A, police drive past and do a u-turn and ask blacks for ID. They are not looking for anybody in particular, they are just provocative.
Perhaps they have found that on average a black person is more likely to illegally be here than a white European person?

Perhaps they have found that on average a black person is more likely to be in possession of drugs with intent to sell than a white European person?

Perhaps they have found that on average a black person is more likely to have an outstanding warrant than a white European person?

Perhaps if statistics showed that wasn't the case then black and white would be stopped more equally.
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Old 21.04.2016, 12:30
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Perhaps they have found that on average a black person is more likely to illegally be here than a white European person?

Perhaps they have found that on average a black person is more likely to be in possession of drugs with intent to sell than a white European person?

Perhaps they have found that on average a black person is more likely to have an outstanding warrant than a white European person?

Perhaps if statistics showed that wasn't the case then black and white would be stopped more equally.
Possibly, but if you stop more blacks then you find more blacks who have done wrong etc. As for drugs, everybody I know who does drugs is white and swiss but then again I don't know many blacks. The chance that they are stopped on the street is much smaller, in my opinion.

You can also make statistics show whatever you want to prove, ask any government.
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Old 21.04.2016, 12:41
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And I know a Turkish person that has been stopped twice by police for a body and id check after trying to talk to him in Swiss German to ask something random. Both times they had unconvincing excuses like his shoes matched those of one they are looking for, which is quite unlikely as he wears quite expensive shoes. The second time he immediately showed his ETH card after which they backed off.

So it seems this that the profile they are checking is young, male, foreign. Also this was before the Syrian war began, hence cannot be attributed to the recent events.

Overall heard more Turkish people being checked, and all the instances I've heard off were male.
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Old 21.04.2016, 12:45
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The only people I have ever seen stopped whilst walking along a shopping street in the middle of the day are black people. I've seen it more than once in Affoltern a/A, police drive past and do a u-turn and ask blacks for ID. They are not looking for anybody in particular, they are just provocative.
From what I have seen it seems that the vast majority of (small-time, at least) drug dealers in Switzerland are black... you can see many of them on Zürich Langstrasse or around Geneva train station and red light district. As for illegitimate residency, I guess there is also a risk of them offending there too if they are trying to stay off of the radar.

During normal working hours, there is simply a higher statistical chance that a black man who is strolling nonchalantly around town and is not wearing business attire or a work uniform is in police eyes a suspect of the above and likely why they are checked more frequently.
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Old 21.04.2016, 12:51
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unconvincing excuses like his shoes matched those of one they are looking for, which is quite unlikely as he wears quite expensive shoes.
How's that work, then? Don't pimps and pushers wear expensive shoes?

That's not what I was led to believe by Starsky and Hutch.
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Old 21.04.2016, 13:07
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which is quite unlikely as he wears quite expensive shoes.
So someone who wears expensive shoes can't be a criminal then? And even if they couldn't, how would they see that the shoes were expensive? I seriously doubt most people will be able to distinguish a Boss shoe from one from Dosenbach from just one quick glance.

IF they do targeted checks it's usually because they are looking for someone. Same at the border. I get stopped at times and they have a quick look into my car. Probably because they're looking for someone who drives a car that is similar to mine. That's all.

I also get searched at airports in the US sometimes. Now the racism explanation doesn't apply in my case, so could it be simple coincidence? Or that I just happen to be in the "wrong" spot at the wrong time?
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Old 21.04.2016, 13:09
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I seriously doubt most people will be able to distinguish a Boss shoe from one from Dosenbach from just one quick glance.

Sure they can:
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Old 21.04.2016, 13:31
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Sure they can:
Haha OK, I give you that one
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Old 21.04.2016, 13:55
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So someone who wears expensive shoes can't be a criminal then? And even if they couldn't, how would they see that the shoes were expensive? I seriously doubt most people will be able to distinguish a Boss shoe from one from Dosenbach from just one quick glance.



I say it because that is the excuse they gave. I personally can distinguish expensive shoes fro nonexpensive ones very quickly, though likely police officers cannot. Leather quality difference is very obvious.

Anyways there are different types of expensive shoes, and these are not too likely to go into criminal profile. But shoes are not the main point. This was close to Seilbahn Rigiblick in Zurich, so not a random border control.

P.S. I do not consider Boss shoes to be of particularly good quality.
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Old 21.04.2016, 14:12
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I personally can distinguish expensive shoes fro nonexpensive ones very quickly, though likely police officers cannot.
Yes, because working class people are thick, aren't they?
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Yes, because working class people are thick, aren't they?
Sorry, I really don't get what thickness have to do with this?

What I meant is that most likely many police officers are not very experienced with good quality shoes, not excluding that some could easily be experienced, but majority probably is not. Same as for the general population.
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Old 21.04.2016, 14:19
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Sorry, I really don't get what thickness have to do with this?

What I meant is that most likely many police officers are not very experienced with good quality shoes, not excluding that some could easily be experienced, but majority probably is not. Same as for the general population.
Keep digging.
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Old 21.04.2016, 14:28
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So what are good quality shoes then? I could do with a new pair.
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So what are good quality shoes then? I could do with a new pair.
Any shoes that cost at least 200 chf. Simple.
Just don't choose black with white, it can cause you problems.
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So what are good quality shoes then? I could do with a new pair.
Shoes that are comfortable and are made of good materials. Depends how picky you are I am very picky

I could talk really long about it, which is not part of this topic. I personally have trouble finding some in Switzerland. Brands are obviously different for male and female and not necessarily correlated with the price. Many expensive ones will look expensive but are not necessarily comfortable. So I still wouldn't buy them. Someone said 200+, but I think 90% of 200+ in Switzerland are not good enough. E.g. Navyboot is 200+ but not worth the money. Leather is OK, lower parts go bad very quickly, had to take them to the shoe repairer and proved to be quite uncomfortable, would never buy again. Some brands I am happy with are: grace, prada (both male and female), homers, bikkembergs (male), brunella

I haven't tried obviously all the brands but most of those sold for example in Jelmoli and Globus are already uncomfortable when I try them on, though have bought two pairs of Homers from Globus and are very nice and my husband is very happy with his Armani ones from Jelmoli, says those are his most comfortable shoes.
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What I meant is that most likely many police officers are not very experienced with good quality shoes, not excluding that some could easily be experienced, but majority probably is not. Same as for the general population.
Why on earth would you presume that a police officer (who anyway earn a decent salary in CH) and have to judge and profile people very quickly by what they are wearing, would not know good quality shoes?

That is possibly one of the most bizarre statements I have read.
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Why on earth would you presume that a police officer (who anyway earn a decent salary in CH) and have to judge and profile people very quickly by what they are wearing, would not know good quality shoes?

That is possibly one of the most bizarre statements I have read.
Maybe he knows. But overall most of people in Switzerland do not wear very expensive shoes. Many have 1000+fr bags but not shoes. Why do you expect a police officer to be particularly concerned with shoes and have experience with them? If he is in a division that looks for fakes, maybe... but why would otherwise a police officer have extra experience with shoes?

Also, statistically most people do profiling from upper body.
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Old 21.04.2016, 15:14
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Maybe he knows. But overall most of people in Switzerland do not wear very expensive shoes. Many have 1000+fr bags but not shoes. Why do you expect a police officer to be particularly concerned with shoes and have experience with them? If he is in a division that looks for fakes, maybe... but why would otherwise a police officer have extra experience with shoes?
So we have gone from a police office not being able to tell a generically good or expensive pair of shoes at a glance (which I assure you just about every man can), to picking out exact worth and brand on an anally detailed level done by police who look for fakes?

Mmkay.
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Old 21.04.2016, 15:18
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This was close to Seilbahn Rigiblick in Zurich, so not a random border control.
Seilbahn Rigiblick is in close proximity to the Turkish Embassy (7 mins walking) - there are therefore many Turks in the area on days such as Turkish Government votes - on these days there are always enhanced police controls in the area. It's as well as on the main tram line to the airport (10).

No idea if there could have been a connection (as well as no idea about very expensive shoes ;-).
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