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Re: Fined, but the SBB machine did not accept my money!

Yes, a 1969 5 fr coin is a silver coin. Rare by now, you hardly can find them. 1968 should not. If it is, OP is rich, unless he gives it away by sending it to SBB, e.g.

All 5 fr before 1968 were of silver, and then again 1969, but up from 1970 none.


I could imagine that SBB takes the fine back. It's not that they own the country, but rather the opposite, and they should accept coins of the local currency, also if outdated in its material.

If you have time and the controller's name and everything, go to a local office and explain.



Btw. on today's news was reported that 5 fr coin of 2012 is slightly thicker than before and could be a problem as well.
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Re: Fined, but the SBB machine did not accept my money!

I guess my belief in things in switzerland simply "working" has been dashed :-(. Oh well, i send a letter and see what happens. A person can only try.
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Yes, a 1969 5 fr coin is a silver coin. Rare by now, you hardly can find them. 1968 should not. If it is, OP is rich, unless he gives it away by sending it to SBB, e.g.

I did have one 1969 "Fünflieber" but I gave it to my sister, hope she still has it.
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Old 10.01.2013, 16:45
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I did have one 1969 "Fünflieber" but I gave it to my sister, hope she still has it.
i'm going to keep my eye out for them from now on. I did own a 1.- from the early 20th Century once, but think I spent it. I believe it was actually worth about 5x the face value, or something.
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I did have one 1969 "Fünflieber" but I gave it to my sister, hope she still has it.
A 1969 Fünflieber should be made of silver, yes.
However, introduction year 1968 Fünflieber are nickel, not silver. If actually there were 1968 silver Fünflieber, this would be unique.

Like 2, 1 and a half franks from before 1968 (i.e. back from 1967), Fünflieber were of silver, by definition.

Problem was that foreign treasuries tried to get them all and to melt them (which is how the silver price was falling).

Of course a silver coin of the weight of a Fünflieber is worth more than 5 franks, but in the contrary to the past, when silver was quite half as good as gold, not much more.


Btw. interestingly also the German Reichsmark had the same pattern of flowers and ribbons around figures, like a half, 1 and 2 franks.
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In order present a strong case you should send in the coin as well as the ticket machine. Then they can try for them selves.....
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I am planning to contact SBB. Do you think i should include my 5 franc coin?
I don't think a 5 CHF bribe will do the trick. But you may be facing more significant consequences by reverting to a bribe.
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Re: Fined, but the SBB machine did not accept my money!

I got a 5 chf coin from 1944 once. I checked it's value online and it was only worth about 14chf. Still wanted to keep it but I think I eventually spent it on a pizza when I was digging around for change
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I don't think the excuse of not being able to buy a ticket before getting on would be accepted, as anyone might try this approach when checked.
This is what I did when the machine refused to work one morning. It would not take any card payments. There is a telephone number on the machine to call the SBB and I did.

Initially the SBB woman told me, don't worry, just explain it. I said, right, like that will really work. I told her to send me an SMS to my phone confirming the machine was not working....and she did, within seconds.

Much to my disappointment, there was no check that morning on the S Bahn. I was so disappointed because I really wanted to know how the ticket checker would handle my situation.
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Re: Fined, but the SBB machine did not accept my money!

Slightly off-topic but I had a pleasant experience with SBB last week.

My 24hr ticket had expired at 20:00 hours. I had intended to buy a new one but being slightly intoxicated I forgot. Took the train at 22:00.

When the ticket collector come, I remembered that I did not have a ticket.
Showed him my invalid ticket and apologized. He said "Merci" and moved on
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Re: Fined, but the SBB machine did not accept my money!

Maybe some of you saw this in the papers yesterday too, but it has been officially reported that the NEW Fünfliber do not fit into the new machines.

http://news.search.ch/inland/2013-01...breit-gepraegt

http://www.swissinfo.ch/ger/news/new...l?cid=34692008

So, yes, you should be able to make your case.


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Some older machines won't take 5Fr pieces as there was a spate of similarly sized low value foreign coins being used for ticket purchase, with the thieves making ~3 francs per "purchase".
Yes, but all those machines were a) retrofitted to reject rubles in the early 1990s, and b) completely retired from service within the past few years.

For those who didn't know about this, apparently a nearly worthless 1-ruble (IIRC) coin is nearly identical in size and weight to a 5 franc coin. So scammers would buy the cheapest ticket offered (the 1/2-fare Kurzstrecke) which cost 1.20 at the time, put in a 1-ruble coin that the machine thought was 5 francs, and then got 3.80 in change. It cost the ZVV millions (!) in losses, causing them to spend hundreds of thousands of francs to retrofit the 800+ ticket machines with smarter coin readers. Mind you, we are talking around 1993.
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Re: Fined, but the SBB machine did not accept my money!

Aww, I'm sorry this happened to you! I was going to make my own post about this, and now I know the answer!

I went out on Saturday night an hour away from home. The night trains are every hour so I planned to get the 3am train, as 4am is late enough when you have noisy children! But the cloakroom queue was massive and I left the club with only 3 minutes to spare.. I got to the platform and the train was there but I had no ticket yet... I did consider just jumping on and if inspected asking if I could buy one on board but decided against it... Had to wait for an hour in sub zero temperature wearing going-out clothes! I didn't even get inspected and part of me wished I had just hopped on the train, it was only 2 minutes til the connecting train and could have bought my ticket there anyway. Now I know for next time better not do that! I made the right choice even if I did nearly freeze to death ha
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Re: Fined, but the SBB machine did not accept my money!

I did a lot of hiking with my father when I was a kid. Sometimes there was no ticket-machine available in remote train stations or we had to get on the train in a rush without buying the tickets, after a long running downhill to catch it in just in time.
All we had to do in such cases was finding the train's inspector and tell him where we had got on the train and where were we heading to. I believe this rule is still valid as long as you are the one that goes and finds the inspector. I remember recently going from Zurich airport to Baden or from Waldshut to Baden. In one case I couldn't punch the ticket and in the other I had no time to buy the tickets. In both situations I had no problem dealing with the inspector. But I repeat, it was us looking for him, not the other way around.
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All we had to do in such cases was finding the train's inspector and tell him where we had got on the train and where were we heading to. I believe this rule is still valid as long as you are the one that goes and finds the inspector. I remember recently going from Zurich airport to Baden or from Waldshut to Baden. In one case I couldn't punch the ticket and in the other I had no time to buy the tickets. In both situations I had no problem dealing with the inspector. But I repeat, it was us looking for him, not the other way around.
Be very careful with statements like this.

What one was allowed to do years ago, and what is enforced now, are two different things. Today, no ticket - no matter what the situation, no matter if you went to the ticket collector first or he/she finds you - will equal a fine, unless you are very lucky. The SBB is cracking down and has been for years.

My local station has been closed for some years now, there is no ticket counter only a machine on the platform. The machine is often broken - it has not been functional at least half the time I have tried to use it. (I only rarely use the train, so this might not be representative.)

Once as I queued up to buy a ticket the person in front of me found that the machine was again broken. He called the help line to report the failure to the SBB, took a photo of the 'out of service' message, and reported that a queue of people needed to buy tickets. No sympathy from the SBB minion, we were advised that we would be fined if we boarded the train, despite the fact that it was not possible to buy a ticket due to their technology failure. The best the SBB could do was to advise us to call a taxi to go to the next manned station to buy a ticket. (And miss the train, of course.)

The SBB minion said that because 'everyone' has a smartphone, that their machines do not function is no excuse for not having a ticket. (I, like a good number of folks my age, do not have a smart phone...)

Apparently the onus is now on the customer to supply the SBB with the technology to sell their tickets. Brilliant cost savings initiative.
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I did a lot of hiking with my father when I was a kid. Sometimes there was no ticket-machine available in remote train stations or we had to get on the train in a rush without buying the tickets, after a long running downhill to catch it in just in time.
All we had to do in such cases was finding the train's inspector and tell him where we had got on the train and where were we heading to. I believe this rule is still valid as long as you are the one that goes and finds the inspector. I remember recently going from Zurich airport to Baden or from Waldshut to Baden. In one case I couldn't punch the ticket and in the other I had no time to buy the tickets. In both situations I had no problem dealing with the inspector. But I repeat, it was us looking for him, not the other way around.

Total rubbish now.

The law changed 4-5 years ago, you HAVE toi have a valid ticket before boarding the train, tickets are no longer sold on the train. If you have no ticket and are inspected, you have an automatic fine of Chf 100.-- plus cost of your ticket and they take your details in case of repeating offender.

If the tickets machine(s) are NOT working at your station, this will be logged in the system and you are allowed to get on the train as it can be easily proved you were unable to buy a ticket.
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Yes, but all those machines were a) retrofitted to reject rubles in the early 1990s, and b) completely retired from service within the past few years.

For those who didn't know about this, apparently a nearly worthless 1-ruble (IIRC) coin is nearly identical in size and weight to a 5 franc coin. So scammers would buy the cheapest ticket offered (the 1/2-fare Kurzstrecke) which cost 1.20 at the time, put in a 1-ruble coin that the machine thought was 5 francs, and then got 3.80 in change. It cost the ZVV millions (!) in losses, causing them to spend hundreds of thousands of francs to retrofit the 800+ ticket machines with smarter coin readers. Mind you, we are talking around 1993.
wow. late night to bump this 2 year old thread! what brought you to this?
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Apparently the onus is now on the customer to supply the SBB with the technology to sell their tickets. Brilliant cost savings initiative.
Oh, it gets even better. Note that you are unable to change users in the official SBB app without uninstalling/reinstalling.

They will fine you 30 for the honour of verifying that you did in fact pay for the ticket, in spite of the fact that their sub par attempt at technology doesn't work.

Got caught up with that myself. Tried to use the wife's phone as mine was dead. Asked the controller if there was a trick to switching accounts - she couldn't have cared less, fined me the full 100 anyway.
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Oh, it gets even better. Note that you are unable to change users in the official SBB app without uninstalling/reinstalling.

They will fine you 30 for the honour of verifying that you did in fact pay for the ticket, in spite of the fact that their sub par attempt at technology doesn't work.

Got caught up with that myself. Tried to use the wife's phone as mine was dead. Asked the controller if there was a trick to switching accounts - she couldn't have cared less, fined me the full 100 anyway.
With the SBB iPhone App, it is possible to "change" the Passenger Name before you buy the ticket. I've already done this a lot of times, buying ticket for my wife while logged into my account.
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With the SBB iPhone App, it is possible to "change" the Passenger Name before you buy the ticket. I've already done this a lot of times, buying ticket for my wife while logged into my account.
i've seen lots of people being told off by the inspectors on the train when two tickets have been bought on one phone by a couple travelling together.
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