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After living here 5 years and from being yelled at by random strangers so many times for minor offences such as forgetting to use my towel in the gym sauna, rolling my bike on an empty sidewalk, crossing the street where youre not supposed to cross, etc, I have come to a conclusion:

The Swiss are unique in the way they police each other.

They apply an absolute zero tolerance and will approach you in a way other people would usually approach someone who keep repeating the same bad behavior and you've simply had enough.

From where im from, playing the parent to a random adult in the street can and will lead to a broken nose - but not here.

They skip the "friendly reminder" step and skip straight to "don't do that, that is unacceptable!!"

Anyone else noticed this?
After five years living in this country Swiss still have to correct your behaviour? Oh boy you must be a slow learner!
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Old 25.07.2013, 16:56
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Your overall point is good, but your individual examples are not.

So you go to a naked sauna and don't use a towel? You just sit your naked body on a communal seat without sitting on a towel? Eurgh.

So you have a bike and instead of riding on the road as you should, you ride on the pavement? Empty, you say? Except for all the Swiss standing there shouting at you, of course.

Shouted at for crossing the road at the wrong place? That depends. Generally, the Swiss are such shit drivers (not helped by a road design done by someone who probably doesn't even know what a car is) that crossing a road in an un-marked place simply adds to the odds that someone will drive into you. However, I've never been shouted at for doing this and in fact only once when in Germany - the comment was that we were setting a bad example to the children.

So, a combination of you doing the wrong thing, and being somewhere (*not* Basel) where people like to shout and ... voila.
Thanks for your input! I think we misunderstand eachother so let me clarify.

I am not justifying my actions. Clearly one should use towel in the sauna and clearly one should not ride the bike (albeit very slowly and with no pedestrians on said sidewalk), etc - these all fall under "incorrect behavoiur".

My point is the fact that random people here seem to:

1. Approach you and inform you that what you are doing is wrong. Right here is a major difference from other places ive lived where "mind your own business" applies.
2. Speak to you with an angry voice as if you are a 10 year old child.

If these people would tell me in a friendly way, for example: "Excuse me, i notice you are not using a towel in the sauna, i just wanted to remind you that this is the "gym rule" here" with a smile - i would be cool.

Again, they skip this step and go straight to angry thus creating an uncomfortable situation out of proportion.
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Old 25.07.2013, 16:57
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Re: How the swiss deal with incorrect behavior from strangers

Next time yell back the following:
"Und, chlaut dini Mueter immer no im Migros?" and wait what happens.
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Old 25.07.2013, 17:04
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2. Speak to you with an angry voice as if you are a 10 year old child.
Dont take it personally. Seriously.

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Next time yell back the following:
"Und, chlaut dini Mueter immer no im Migros?" and wait what happens.
In the Sauna he would most probably get the following back "Bürschtli choch dini Eier neume anders ab!"
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I have decided it is a more grownup , responsible way for a society to live, instead of having the policeforce be the parent all the time. I love the fact that there are so few police officers on the streets here - that it's possible to safely walk along the riverside in KleinBasel after dark in summer, hearing all the happy people enjoying themselves without the need of a police presence to prevent riotous behaviour, fights, broken bottles etc.
I disagree, i want the policy to keep me from rioting and fighting, not the general population. Im actually planning some rioting tonight but i just KNOW my grumpy old swiss neighbour is gonna tell me off in an overly angry manor.
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Old 25.07.2013, 17:43
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Re: How the swiss deal with incorrect behavior from strangers

One of my dogs has had since birth a front paw that points forward at an angle; bit like a ballerina.

It is incredible over the last 11 years how many people ask me if I have noticed this & why don't I take him to a vet? Must happen several times a week even now.

I was thinking of getting a card printed that explains I do know & he has been to a vet & an operation would likely do more harm than good.

He has no problems & when I am on my bike he can easily run behind me at speeds up to 20 Kmh.
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Old 25.07.2013, 17:44
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Re: How the swiss deal with incorrect behavior from strangers

yesterday I was walking home and a (swiss) cyclist got yelled at (I couldn't make it out what they were saying exactly but it was sweary) by two men and a woman for doing something "wrong" but he was totally astonished and seemed genuinely upset.
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Old 25.07.2013, 18:22
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Re: How the swiss deal with incorrect behavior from strangers

I 've never been shouted at or abused in the street, but that's because I am such a goody two shoes.
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Re: How the swiss deal with incorrect behavior from strangers

My most bizarre example would be when me and my ex were running along the lake and this old woman stopped us and angrily told us to walk, not run.

They just have a thing for getting into peoples bizniz.
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Old 25.07.2013, 19:58
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My most bizarre example would be when me and my ex were running along the lake and this old woman stopped us and angrily told us to walk, not run.

They just have a thing for getting into peoples bizniz.
You get all sorts of weirdos. From personal experience, most of them arent prepared for a reaction.

One of which was that I had an old man angrily telling my dog who was peeing against a tree on a public road: "DAS IS VERBOTEN!". I initially ignored him but he kept shouting the same thing repeatedly at the top of his voice till I turned around and said "Entweder sagen Sie mir warum oder schweigen Sie bitte." (either tell me why or please shut up)

The look on his face was priceless and he simply shuffled along muttering under his breath. A few more other amusing stories that taught me that you simply have to laugh it off.
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Re: How the swiss deal with incorrect behavior from strangers

Actually, in 20 years here, I've never been yelled at for doing any of those things (or anything else).

Of course, that may be due to the shaved head and copious facial tattoos (oh, and the ACAB across the knuckles).

As an edit: I'd like to add that I've never sat in a sauna without a towel; that's truly disgusting.

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Old 25.07.2013, 20:30
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Re: How the swiss deal with incorrect behavior from strangers

Is it a coincidence that the vast majority of people who claim to have been shouted at live in Zurich? (In a proportion that is significantly greater than the population difference to the rest of Switzerland).

I worked there for a few years, but I certainly wouldn't want to live there.
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Old 25.07.2013, 20:32
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Is it a coincidence that the vast majority of people who claim to have been shouted at live in Zurich? (In a proportion that is significantly greater than the population difference to the rest of Switzerland).

I worked there for a few years, but I certainly wouldn't want to live there.
Speak for yourself!
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Old 25.07.2013, 20:40
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Speak for yourself!
So, have you ever been yelled at?
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So, have you ever been yelled at?
No. Only one time when I forgot a bag in a shop, but that doesn't count...I was given dirty looks in a few occasions though (curiously, only when people hear me talking in my native language- but it amuses me). One time an older lady asked me something, honestly I was so tired I didn't make any effort to have a better accent in German...she was so outraged! "Sind Sie Serbin?" - with a criminal look....I explained her shortly where I'm from, what brought me here, she started to relax and even smile, said to me I was lucky, things like that. We parted in a friendly voice. Sometimes you just have to put up with the bigots and the ignorants, that's part of life.
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If you yell at me, I yell back. It feels good.
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Dont take it personally. Seriously.

well..if it was german what the swiss speak it wouldnt be half as offensive...

besides i am a "lawbreaker" in their eyes every day and nobody ever came to me telling me off in 7 years?
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Re: How the swiss deal with incorrect behavior from strangers

It's ok, it's not just here...today I had a note on my windshield berating me for parking outside the lines at the end of a row. I was visiting Hohenzollenburg Castle south of Stuttgart and the parking lot was pretty full and the space between rows was pretty narrow meaning I had no chance getting in the 3 free spots I did see. After the parking attendent saw me circling 3 times, she motioned for me to park at the end. Anyways, I felt helpless that I couldn't shout (or write) back at the person. Cowards

I did watch a normal sized car bash into another normal sized car trying to get out of the spots just after I parked, so it did make me feel a bit better that I wasn't the only one having problems! I don't think the bash was bad enough to cause damage although I didn't join the crowd watching to make sure...
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