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Old 02.08.2013, 18:37
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Strange, these sort of things don't seem to happen in Geneva.

I have never been accosted or verbally abused by anyone in public places here. And, if it ever did happen, i speak the lingo and can probably shout louder than the shoutee.

Apart from the time I did have an incident with a young, shirtless, coloured person a few years ago. He asked me for a cigarette, whilst gesticulating with a bottle of JD. I pointed out that the cigarette shop was just next door and if he can afford JD he can afford cigs. I was called a racist. But I kept my calm.

I think he thought i was Swiss!!!
I hear consistently from Genevan friends and people I know who have stayed in Geneva, that at night it is one of the dodgiest places to be in Switzerland. They don't feel safe at night, especially around the main station and some of the cheaper housing estates.
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Old 02.08.2013, 20:38
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Excuse me, if your friends want to hang around the train staition and the dodgy housing estates, that's their perogative.

Train stations throughout the world are renowned to be dodgy, so Zurich or Basel or Berne train stations are squeeky clean of all the dross on Switzerland are they? They all come to Geneva, and where are the housing estates??

Give me a break, name the housing estates in Geneva and i can name you a few in your town.

I remember being so shocked years ago re - the drug abuse in Zurich in the parks in front of "normal people".

I love my city, i have for forty years and i stand by it.

Come on down and see for yourself. The incident with the Jack Daniels youth was once in all the years that i have lived here.

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Old 03.08.2013, 23:22
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With these numbers it goes, as the Germans say "Ruck-Ruck-Zack-Zack"
what german says that? where, when? never heard of it.
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Old 03.08.2013, 23:29
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Well, she washed hers, too, lol. And she was definitely shouting, in a really high pitched old woman angry kind of way.
i doubt that. as long as you dont speak CH/any german and understand 100% correctly what she said... i doubt you can grasp what she said, what tone and the content.

she could have greeted you, saying the weather is pretty hot, louder than normal, just to cover the noise... you know, i was once invited to an iranian family, my mates house, back when i was at public school. the dad shouted all the way, looked really mean and i thought he must be really angry. at the end what he said-> the whole room was rolling on the floor laughing and i thought he is giving a hard time to everyone... here it is way too much assumption by too much hearsay that out of nowhere people have a go at you. never happened to me in 7 years, never to anyone i know too.
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i doubt that. as long as you dont speak CH/any german and understand 100% correctly what she said... i doubt you can grasp what she said, what tone and the content.

she could have greeted you, saying the weather is pretty hot, louder than normal, just to cover the noise... you know, i was once invited to an iranian family, my mates house, back when i was at public school. the dad shouted all the way, looked really mean and i thought he must be really angry. at the end what he said-> the whole room was rolling on the floor laughing and i thought he is giving a hard time to everyone... here it is way too much assumption by too much hearsay that out of nowhere people have a go at you. never happened to me in 7 years, never to anyone i know too.
I am Swiss, I speak and understand the language perfectly.
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Not Zürcher folk, Ausländers!!, I was speaking English to hubby. Although, I then responded to her in her own dialect, must have confused the heck out of her, lol. Yes, we were likely her conversational topic for the day as well, lol.
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Interesting. So the ability to speak a foreign language makes you a foreigner?
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Old 04.08.2013, 04:04
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Interesting. So the ability to speak a foreign language makes you a foreigner?
No. The willingness to speak a foreign language makes you a foreigner.

This is why you would have second (or first) generation immigrants making no effort to "accommodate" newcomers. It is their payback.
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Old 04.08.2013, 05:37
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what german says that? where, when? never heard of it.
don't shoot the messenger.



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Old 04.08.2013, 11:00
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Old 04.08.2013, 11:13
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LOL yeah ive herad geneva is more laid back too. I actually went there for the first time a while back and couldnt help noticing the large representation of africans.

Now, am i a total racist for wondering what the deal is with that? Can one even ask that question? Im just curious - dont shoot me down.
deal ? The Maghreb and much of Western and Central Africa was under colonial or "protectoral" French control for at least a century, Algeria was legally even part of France from 1830 to 1962. Many people have a preference for Geneva as it is outside France but French speaking. Also for people from Lebanon, due to the long standing links to France, Paris and Geneva are obvious places. As the Lebanese are very commercially minded, they also have a very strong presence in the Zürich area. So that you have a full "assortment" of "African" and Arab people from black to white

Go to Mülhausen/Mulhouse, to the Route de Colmar, and you will find as many Maghrebine restaurants as in Paris !
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Old 04.08.2013, 12:11
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Re: How the swiss deal with incorrect behavior from strangers

I'm from kelowna, Canada and it is most very very laid back and people ignore other people for very small pitty things, you wont get yelled at for jaywalking or riding your bike on the side walk if you get out of other peoples way, now for jumping ahead of people in line yes you will get yelled at or talked to by other people if they see you but thats just the norm, it is also normal from where i am from that if someone else yells at you for something small you yell back and if it comes down to even a fight starts.

personally i am not one to not say something back if i get yelled at for something i feel was not a big deal. I have a pretty big mouth on me and some spunk to back it up but i have more common sense to only use that when feel threatened then when i know i was in the wrong.
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Interesting. So the ability to speak a foreign language makes you a foreigner?
The ability to speak the language does not make me a local. I am also Canadian, so is my husband, and we have just moved here after living in Canada longer than I ever lived in Switzerland. So, yes, I am definitely feeling like a foreigner at the moment. I am sure the woman perceived us as foreigners since we spoke English to each other, and she had never seen us before, this is a small village where everyone knows each other.
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Dont take it personally. Seriously.


So true. First time I heard "Meine Schatz" (My Sweetheart) I replied:

"WTF did you just call me???"

He has since learned to replace the above with the easier-on-the-ear Italian version of the same. LOL.
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As the saying goes, the French and the Romands are not tolerant, but just too lazy to get bothered
they exercise eyes-rolling and latent hostility instead
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Re: How the swiss deal with incorrect behavior from strangers

i have noticed it, and wondered for a while what it's about. my conclusion is that the swiss simply assume you'd want to know when you've stepped out of line and they make it their business to tell you. they've created a wonderful little society for themselves here, and the cost of keeping it such is constant policing.

here's the anthropological take on it.


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Re: How the swiss deal with incorrect behavior from strangers

Where I'm from, people don't yell at you for doing the wrong thing in a given situation, they just keep it to themselves and you never get the chance to learn what is the right thing to do in that situation.*
Not being told can be very difficult for a newcomer who doesn't know the local systems (like what drivers and pedestrians are expecting from us bicyclists, or who the kids take as their role models for bicycling behavior).

There are points where it can be upsetting or uncalled-for, but overall I find it very helpful that the Swiss will actually tell you their expectations -- it's much easier to meet the expectations then and keep everyone at peace this way, than if I'm left with only ambiguous hints that I can't decipher.

[* about the term "right thing to do in that situation":
What seems like the same situation in place X and place Y are not the same situation, because the same behavior has different meanings.
Opening presents in front of your guests in place X means you're appreciative, in place Y it means you're greedy.
Refusing gifts in place X means you're ungrateful, in place Y it means you're considerate.
Refusing help in place X means you're responsible, in place Y it means you don't care about spending time together, in place Z it means you are stuck-up.
Riding the bike on the sidewalk in place X means you're safe, in place Y it means you're dead.
Anyway -- I'd rather know this stuff than not know it, so might as well take advantage of the all-too-frequent learning opportunities!]
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A few weeks ago I was going for a morning run and it was pretty early (about 630) so the streets were very quiet. There had been rain the night before and part of the sidewalk had huge puddles that you could not avoid so I would briefly go onto the road to avoid them. At one point, some lady pulled up behind me in a Mini Cooper and said (in french), "Madame you need to be running on the sidewalk. Why are you not on the sidewalk? Get on the sidewalk!" I slow down, looked around (we were in a residential area, huge streets with no traffic and you could clearly see the deep puddles on the sidewalk) and with a huge smile and said, "MERCI!" and kept going.
She continues following me and repeats her same "Why are you not on the side walk??" bit over and over until finally I stop, approach her car and said (sternly) "Merci pour tes conseils. Bonne journée" (thanks for your advice, have a nice day''. No smile, sweat running down my face and clearly pissed. She sped away shaking her head.

Not sure what her issue was, but I'm going to guess having too much time on her hands is one of them.
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A few weeks ago I was going for a morning run and it was pretty early (about 630) so the streets were very quiet. There had been rain the night before and part of the sidewalk had huge puddles that you could not avoid so I would briefly go onto the road to avoid them. At one point, some lady pulled up behind me in a Mini Cooper and said (in french), "Madame you need to be running on the sidewalk. Why are you not on the sidewalk? Get on the sidewalk!" I slow down, looked around (we were in a residential area, huge streets with no traffic and you could clearly see the deep puddles on the sidewalk) and with a huge smile and said, "MERCI!" and kept going.
She continues following me and repeats her same "Why are you not on the side walk??" bit over and over until finally I stop, approach her car and said (sternly) "Merci pour tes conseils. Bonne journée" (thanks for your advice, have a nice day''. No smile, sweat running down my face and clearly pissed. She sped away shaking her head.

Not sure what her issue was, but I'm going to guess having too much time on her hands is one of them.
Don't know how legal it is to run along the road (busy or not). Couldn't it be seen as "Jaywalking" (or "Jayjogging")? Maybe the lady was trying to do you a favour and warn you of the danger?

I know you can be fined for not using a nearby pedestrian crossing, for example.

I tend not to run on the roads, only for short periods of time to avoid an obstruction, and if there were a continual obstruction such as puddles, I would just cross to the other side. You don't know what dickhead driver or cyclist is half asleep and doesn't see you.

Maybe that's what the lady in the Mini wanted to tell you but your "stern" face put her off?
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Can I join?

A few weeks ago I was going for a morning run and it was pretty early (about 630) so the streets were very quiet. There had been rain the night before and part of the sidewalk had huge puddles that you could not avoid so I would briefly go onto the road to avoid them. At one point, some lady pulled up behind me in a Mini Cooper and said (in french), "Madame you need to be running on the sidewalk. Why are you not on the sidewalk? Get on the sidewalk!" I slow down, looked around (we were in a residential area, huge streets with no traffic and you could clearly see the deep puddles on the sidewalk) and with a huge smile and said, "MERCI!" and kept going.
She continues following me and repeats her same "Why are you not on the side walk??" bit over and over until finally I stop, approach her car and said (sternly) "Merci pour tes conseils. Bonne journée" (thanks for your advice, have a nice day''. No smile, sweat running down my face and clearly pissed. She sped away shaking her head.

Not sure what her issue was, but I'm going to guess having too much time on her hands is one of them.
She probably thought that you were about to commit suicide and even more afraid that she'd had to clean the mess afterwards.

But I have to admit that i yelled at a Japanes cyclist the other day as well. To be honest I cursed in four different languages. The idiot was cycling happily in a tunnel of the A6 and at the wrong lane as well. I driving at the speed limit, means at 80 km/h when I suddenly saw something moving, mind you the stupid man hadn't even the lights switched on. I had to make a full stop in front of him, alarm blinking on, till he realised that something was wrong.
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Don't know how legal it is to run along the road (busy or not). Couldn't it be seen as "Jaywalking" (or "Jayjogging")? Maybe the lady was trying to do you a favour and warn you of the danger?

I know you can be fined for not using a nearby pedestrian crossing, for example.

I tend not to run on the roads, only for short periods of time to avoid an obstruction, and if there were a continual obstruction such as puddles, I would just cross to the other side. You don't know what dickhead driver or cyclist is half asleep and doesn't see you.

Maybe that's what the lady in the Mini wanted to tell you but your "stern" face put her off?
I am ALL about safety when running, which is why I do it very early in the morning (as treadmills bring me to drink). My mother in law has a brain injury from being struck by a truck while running and a good friend broke BOTH her legs during a triathlon when a car ran into her bike (ignorning the signage directing traffic). I won't even run with headphones!

On this particular road there was no sidewalk on the other side but instead a huge construction site with even bigger puddles and lots of gravel. For the 200 or so meters it was going to take me to get to a different street, I was willing to risk the road.
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