Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Living in Switzerland > Complaints corner
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #501  
Old 04.05.2016, 19:21
mirfield's Avatar
Moddy McModface
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Basel
Posts: 8,209
Groaned at 51 Times in 45 Posts
Thanked 8,111 Times in 2,959 Posts
mirfield has a reputation beyond reputemirfield has a reputation beyond reputemirfield has a reputation beyond reputemirfield has a reputation beyond reputemirfield has a reputation beyond reputemirfield has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Treatment of New Posters

Quote:
View Post
How should one proceed on EF in such cases?
Just politely point them in the right direction like 3W did. Or just ignore them, maybe shake your head and sigh to yourself.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank mirfield for this useful post:
  #502  
Old 04.05.2016, 19:23
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Valais
Posts: 76
Groaned at 22 Times in 14 Posts
Thanked 122 Times in 65 Posts
Philosoraptor has earned some respectPhilosoraptor has earned some respect
Re: The Treatment of New Posters

Quote:
View Post
Just politely point them in the right direction like 3W did. Or just ignore them, maybe shake your head and sigh to yourself.
I meant, if you need the info yourself, do you post on old threads or do you start a new one? People will give you grief in both cases.
Reply With Quote
  #503  
Old 04.05.2016, 19:29
mirfield's Avatar
Moddy McModface
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Basel
Posts: 8,209
Groaned at 51 Times in 45 Posts
Thanked 8,111 Times in 2,959 Posts
mirfield has a reputation beyond reputemirfield has a reputation beyond reputemirfield has a reputation beyond reputemirfield has a reputation beyond reputemirfield has a reputation beyond reputemirfield has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Treatment of New Posters

Quote:
View Post
I meant, if you need the info yourself, do you post on old threads or do you start a new one? People will give you grief in both cases.
Try something like;
I've looked at some past threads and got the following ballpark figures
  • Rent : 2000 for a 3 room place
  • Parking : 150-200
  • Health Insurance for Family : 800 CHF
  • ...
  • ...
  • etc.

The threads are a bit old, does this sound about right?
It's not rocket surgery.

Though, TBF, any post that starts "I've searched but..." doesn't tend to bother me much, no matter how much of a FAQ it is. I'd usually put it down to the crap search function.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank mirfield for this useful post:
  #504  
Old 04.05.2016, 19:38
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Valais
Posts: 76
Groaned at 22 Times in 14 Posts
Thanked 122 Times in 65 Posts
Philosoraptor has earned some respectPhilosoraptor has earned some respect
Re: The Treatment of New Posters

Quote:
View Post
Try something like;
I've looked at some past threads and got the following ballpark figures
  • Rent : 2000 for a 3 room place
  • Parking : 150-200
  • Health Insurance for Family : 800 CHF
  • ...
  • ...
  • etc.

The threads are a bit old, does this sound about right?
It's not rocket surgery.
So, if I understood correctly, the checklist for a politically correct way of asking for an update on old information is:
1. Mention that you used the search function
2. Mention that the threads that you are found are old

Thanks! Are these non-rocket-surgery tips part of the EF rules? If not, in case you don't mention one or either of the unwritten rules above, do you deserve to get shat on?
Reply With Quote
  #505  
Old 04.05.2016, 19:43
mirfield's Avatar
Moddy McModface
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Basel
Posts: 8,209
Groaned at 51 Times in 45 Posts
Thanked 8,111 Times in 2,959 Posts
mirfield has a reputation beyond reputemirfield has a reputation beyond reputemirfield has a reputation beyond reputemirfield has a reputation beyond reputemirfield has a reputation beyond reputemirfield has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Treatment of New Posters

Quote:
View Post
Thanks! Are these non-rocket-surgery tips part of the EF rules? If not, in case you don't mention one or either of the unwritten rules above, do you deserve to get shat on?
No idea. They don't usually bother me; I'm generally in the ignore and move on school.

Probably a good rule of thumb would be "Would I look stupid asking this to a person in real life?"
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank mirfield for this useful post:
  #506  
Old 04.05.2016, 20:13
me.anon's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: thun
Posts: 1,454
Groaned at 22 Times in 16 Posts
Thanked 1,768 Times in 870 Posts
me.anon has a reputation beyond reputeme.anon has a reputation beyond reputeme.anon has a reputation beyond reputeme.anon has a reputation beyond reputeme.anon has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Treatment of New Posters

Quote:
View Post
. . .
It's not rocket surgery.
. . .
Is this a cure for erectile dysfunction ?
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank me.anon for this useful post:
  #507  
Old 04.05.2016, 20:14
Sgiobair Og's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Virginia, United States
Posts: 43
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 24 Times in 5 Posts
Sgiobair Og has earned some respectSgiobair Og has earned some respect
Re: The Treatment of New Posters

As a newbie, the correct response to any snarky or grouchy pointing towards the search function or old threads is to thank the person for their help and move on. I'm a fairly empathetic person but one can't go through life in general, and the internet especially and expect nothing but warm helpful people.

I've been pointed to old threads and the search function in my short time here already. I could have fussed about how I used the search function, or how the data there was old, or how it didn't answer my specifics, but why? What possible value is there? The person responding was not the only respondent, the posts they linked to had useful hints to help me direct my questions, and other people answered.

Politely thank them for their time and move on, you don't know what has them in a fit. The flaming doesn't usually occur until after a retaliation.
Reply With Quote
The following 18 users would like to thank Sgiobair Og for this useful post:
  #508  
Old 04.05.2016, 20:28
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Zürich
Posts: 7,523
Groaned at 164 Times in 139 Posts
Thanked 8,550 Times in 4,685 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Treatment of New Posters

Quote:
View Post
So, if I understood correctly, the checklist for a politically correct way of asking for an update on old information is:
1. Mention that you used the search function
2. Mention that the threads that you are found are old

Thanks! Are these non-rocket-surgery tips part of the EF rules? If not, in case you don't mention one or either of the unwritten rules above, do you deserve to get shat on?
Now you are making the unwarranted assumption that people actually read posts all the way through and also understand what they read.

It is incredible the number of people who reply to OP posts with content that clearly shows they did not read or understand all of the OP's original post and then double up by quoting irrelevant or outdated links

The solution is to have both a thick skin and an immense ego
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank marton for this useful post:
  #509  
Old 04.05.2016, 20:29
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Zürich
Posts: 7,523
Groaned at 164 Times in 139 Posts
Thanked 8,550 Times in 4,685 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Treatment of New Posters

Quote:
View Post
Is this a cure for erectile dysfunction ?
I have hopes
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank marton for this useful post:
  #510  
Old 05.05.2016, 02:04
VFR on top's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Basel
Posts: 724
Groaned at 19 Times in 11 Posts
Thanked 1,537 Times in 553 Posts
VFR on top has a reputation beyond reputeVFR on top has a reputation beyond reputeVFR on top has a reputation beyond reputeVFR on top has a reputation beyond reputeVFR on top has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Treatment of New Posters

Quote:
View Post
Here's someone who tried to ask for up-to-date info on a matter that has been discussed years ago. If he dared to ask on the old threads, TobiasM would be unhappy. However, when he makes a new thread, he gets smartass/inane answers (usually about using the search function): Give me a ballpark figure

How should one proceed on EF in such cases?
Well, with a join date of 2008, it hardly makes this poster a newbie, does it?

One would think after ten years in-country, a person of moderate self awareness would pick up on the social mores of the EF, and even more pertinent to the matter, an ability to ask for help in a manner which demonstrates a moderate level of initiative.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank VFR on top for this useful post:
  #511  
Old 05.05.2016, 09:38
aSwissInTheUS's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Zurich area
Posts: 5,062
Groaned at 40 Times in 38 Posts
Thanked 7,138 Times in 3,241 Posts
aSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Treatment of New Posters

I was the first one to respond to the mentioned thread.

Quote:
View Post
Probably a good rule of thumb would be "Would I look stupid asking this to a person in real life?"
My answer to this question is: You do not look stupid, but you would get charged pretty good money in real life for getting an meaningful answer to such an open question. Specially an answer which is meaningful in your own situation.

My reaction: You get what you pay for. And to use a German proverb: Wie man in den Wald hineinruft, so schallt es heraus. If you cannot do some very basic research why do you expect more from me, for free?

PS: One lesson learned: People are not aware of Switzerland low inflation rate and are used to different conditions.
__________________
Dunkel war’s, der Mond schien helle, schneebedeckt die grüne Flur, als ein Wagen blitzesschnelle, langsam um die Ecke fuhr.
Drinnen saßen stehend Leute, schweigend ins Gespräch vertieft, als ein totgeschoss’ner Hase auf der Sandbank Schlittschuh lief.
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank aSwissInTheUS for this useful post:
  #512  
Old 05.05.2016, 23:39
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Zürich
Posts: 789
Groaned at 87 Times in 56 Posts
Thanked 1,207 Times in 550 Posts
TobiasM has a reputation beyond reputeTobiasM has a reputation beyond reputeTobiasM has a reputation beyond reputeTobiasM has a reputation beyond reputeTobiasM has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Treatment of New Posters

Quote:
View Post
Well, with a join date of 2008, it hardly makes this poster a newbie, does it?

One would think after ten years in-country, a person of moderate self awareness would pick up on the social mores of the EF, and even more pertinent to the matter, an ability to ask for help in a manner which demonstrates a moderate level of initiative.
8 years I've only been here 8 years, gimme a break, I am still a newbie!

btw to the other comment (raptor dude), I just said it winds me up when I see a thread thats interesting but it was started and ended years before and the new comment adds nothing new to the thread.... and I am not so rude as to berate the commentator for such a heinous act, well I might have once or twice.
Reply With Quote
  #513  
Old 06.05.2016, 10:50
aSwissInTheUS's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Zurich area
Posts: 5,062
Groaned at 40 Times in 38 Posts
Thanked 7,138 Times in 3,241 Posts
aSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Treatment of New Posters

Either Credit Suisse was taken over by The Local or some forum veterans work at CS costumer service

Credit Suisse customer service

Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank aSwissInTheUS for this useful post:
  #514  
Old 26.05.2016, 11:14
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Basel
Posts: 12
Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts
Thanked 10 Times in 1 Post
Ob7777777 has annoyed a few people around hereOb7777777 has annoyed a few people around hereOb7777777 has annoyed a few people around here
Re: The Treatment of New Posters

My problem is that because i can use the search number i have an extremely low number of posts, having found the answers before. So when i think ah this would be a good forum to give things away i dont need anymore, i have to spam (okay i only need 10 posts but it's still spam) the forum in order to meet the requirements.
Reply With Quote
  #515  
Old 26.05.2016, 11:19
hannah'sauntie's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Baden
Posts: 4,374
Groaned at 25 Times in 23 Posts
Thanked 5,891 Times in 2,676 Posts
hannah'sauntie has a reputation beyond reputehannah'sauntie has a reputation beyond reputehannah'sauntie has a reputation beyond reputehannah'sauntie has a reputation beyond reputehannah'sauntie has a reputation beyond reputehannah'sauntie has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Treatment of New Posters

Quote:
View Post
My problem is that because i can use the search number i have an extremely low number of posts, having found the answers before. So when i think ah this would be a good forum to give things away i dont need anymore, i have to spam (okay i only need 10 posts but it's still spam) the forum in order to meet the requirements.
But being a member of the forum isn't just about finding answers, but helping other people with their questions, and being a contributor as well.
Reply With Quote
The following 10 users would like to thank hannah'sauntie for this useful post:
  #516  
Old 26.05.2016, 11:22
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Zurich
Posts: 9,195
Groaned at 529 Times in 401 Posts
Thanked 11,951 Times in 4,680 Posts
Richdog has a reputation beyond reputeRichdog has a reputation beyond reputeRichdog has a reputation beyond reputeRichdog has a reputation beyond reputeRichdog has a reputation beyond reputeRichdog has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Treatment of New Posters

Quote:
View Post
My problem is that because i can use the search number i have an extremely low number of posts, having found the answers before. So when i think ah this would be a good forum to give things away i dont need anymore, i have to spam (okay i only need 10 posts but it's still spam) the forum in order to meet the requirements.
It's not just about posting to find what you need, but posting to help others find what answers they need, or contributing to the forum in general.

You have been a member for 2 years and in this time, objectively speaking, contributed nothing.

Last edited by Richdog; 26.05.2016 at 12:02.
Reply With Quote
The following 6 users would like to thank Richdog for this useful post:
  #517  
Old 26.05.2016, 11:25
Tom1234's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Kanton Luzern
Posts: 10,071
Groaned at 267 Times in 211 Posts
Thanked 14,181 Times in 5,758 Posts
Tom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Treatment of New Posters

Quote:
View Post
It's not just about posting to find what you need, but posting to help others find what answers they need, or contributing to the forum in general.
Some people go through their whole life like that - and can't see anything wrong with it.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Tom1234 for this useful post:
  #518  
Old 26.05.2016, 11:29
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Basel
Posts: 12
Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts
Thanked 10 Times in 1 Post
Ob7777777 has annoyed a few people around hereOb7777777 has annoyed a few people around hereOb7777777 has annoyed a few people around here
Re: The Treatment of New Posters

Quote:
View Post
It's not just about posting to find what you need, but posting to help others find what answers they need, or contributing to the forum in general.
Okay that is a fair point. I tend to find everything i know has already been discovered by somebody well before me, but i take the point for sure.
Reply With Quote
The following 10 users would like to thank Ob7777777 for this useful post:
  #519  
Old 26.05.2016, 11:31
hannah'sauntie's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Baden
Posts: 4,374
Groaned at 25 Times in 23 Posts
Thanked 5,891 Times in 2,676 Posts
hannah'sauntie has a reputation beyond reputehannah'sauntie has a reputation beyond reputehannah'sauntie has a reputation beyond reputehannah'sauntie has a reputation beyond reputehannah'sauntie has a reputation beyond reputehannah'sauntie has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Treatment of New Posters

It can also be about adding a bit of fun to someone's day, having a laugh, making people smile, making friends, even if they are virtual.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank hannah'sauntie for this useful post:
  #520  
Old 26.05.2016, 12:00
Veltliner's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: ZH / SZ
Posts: 272
Groaned at 3 Times in 3 Posts
Thanked 339 Times in 128 Posts
Veltliner has an excellent reputationVeltliner has an excellent reputationVeltliner has an excellent reputationVeltliner has an excellent reputation
Re: The Treatment of New Posters

Quote:
View Post
It's not just about posting to find what you need, but posting to help others find what answers they need, or contributing to the forum in general.
I think this is a bit harsh. The poster here is talking about wanting to give something but not being able to because the forum rules don't permit. (I've also taken a look at his thread and it's quite a generous giveaway). Even if not, I've noticed a number of forum members who take a lot and give back nothing - taking nothing and giving nothing seems preferable to me...

I never got the post count requirement for free stuff to be honest.
Reply With Quote
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
PETA (People for the ethical treatment of animals) ... "aren't" Desert Rat International affairs/politics 0 27.02.2013 19:43
Complain to the SBB about the posters Ittigen Complaints corner 244 27.09.2011 19:22
Foreigners not the target of the latest SVP posters panda Swiss politics/news 109 12.05.2011 17:18


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 20:31.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0