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Fraud via olx.ch

Hello fine people of the english forum,

Here's a sad story, maybe someone might have a hint on what to do. If not, then at least it serves as a 'cautionary tale' for other buyers.

I bought an Xbox via OLX.CH some days ago (this one) some days ago.

I contacted the seller, and he sent me a "Rechnung" via OLX.ch, indicating that I had to pay via a banking transfer. The recipient's bank was a Rumanian bank, but the address of the console, according to the user was in Brugg AG, so I went on and sent the money. I paid, informed the seller on Friday, and he said he would sent it. On Sunday, he emailed me saying I would receive the package next day or "Thursday", which sounded a bit strange already.

I waited the whole week and the package didn't arrive. On the next days, I emailed him several times, and each time he would say he was very sorry, some problem occurred, but the delivery truck would arrive next day. I tried several ways to talking to him to no avail, I even got a mobile number from him, but he never picked up. I leave the phone number here: [removed] in hopes that some telemarketer will pick it up and bombard him with phone calls to pitch 'Krankenkassevergleich' or the like

This is obviously fraud, and I guess I will never receive that console. Now the question is, is there any specific place I could go to to get some help? Like a regional fraud center, or something along those lines?

The worst thing for me, is that the personal situation surrounding this is pretty bad. It was actually my parents who bought and paid the xbox, they just moved in to CH from Argentina, and are kind of in a harsh economical situation, so the console was to cheer up my teen brother who was feeling a bit down due to all that.

Anyway, if you can hint me at any good approach for tracing this dude and reporting his frauds, I'd be happy to hear.

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Re: Fraud via olx.ch

That is tough indeed. SFr 85,-- is a small amount for a Swiss person. I think I would be caught as well.

You can go to your local police station and make an accusation. They should then pass the information on to the international crime watch.

You could also report the fraud to OLX (I think OLX belongs to Ricardo) in Zug.

Next time try and pay with a Swiss credit card, you are guaranteed your money back if goods are not delivered after 6 months. On the advert it states "Inserat geprüft: 03.05.2014 " so it is still a fairly recent crime.
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Re: Fraud via olx.ch

There are countless fake ads on olx.ch (especially cars). I reported them once and never heard back from olx. Neither were the ads taken down.

On the other hand, I'm selling an xbox in brugg ag if yours doesn't come through in the end
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Re: Fraud via olx.ch

OLX is part of Ricardo. Yell and scream at Ricardo. I am not sure if the OLX membership is the same as when you sign up for Ricardo where you need to give your real name and address. As I am a Ricardo member I automatically have OLX access. By the way, OLX is the new name for Ricardolino.

I have never bought an item on OLX but I have been looking at something on there and have had contact with the advertiser. He is definitely living here. The item for sale is very big and I would have to pick it up.

A foreign bank should have been a warning sign. But still you have the person's details, you should be able to do something with this.

Seeing as the Xbox you bought is in Brugg, supposedly, and still advertised, maybe you should get someone to offer to buy it and pick it up. Then you have a local address and you could give this to the police.
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Re: Fraud via olx.ch

You paid online direct bank wire into a ROMANIAN bank account?!

Sorry, that is not fraud, that is STUPID.
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Hello fine people of the english forum,

Here's a sad story, maybe someone might have a hint on what to do. If not, then at least it serves as a 'cautionary tale' for other buyers.

I bought an Xbox via OLX.CH some days ago (this one) some days ago.

I contacted the seller, and he sent me a "Rechnung" via OLX.ch, indicating that I had to pay via a banking transfer. The recipient's bank was a Rumanian bank, but the address of the console, according to the user was in Brugg AG, so I went on and sent the money. I paid, informed the seller on Friday, and he said he would sent it. On Sunday, he emailed me saying I would receive the package next day or "Thursday", which sounded a bit strange already.

I waited the whole week and the package didn't arrive. On the next days, I emailed him several times, and each time he would say he was very sorry, some problem occurred, but the delivery truck would arrive next day. I tried several ways to talking to him to no avail, I even got a mobile number from him, but he never picked up. I leave the phone number here: [removed] in hopes that some telemarketer will pick it up and bombard him with phone calls to pitch 'Krankenkassevergleich' or the like

This is obviously fraud, and I guess I will never receive that console. Now the question is, is there any specific place I could go to to get some help? Like a regional fraud center, or something along those lines?

The worst thing for me, is that the personal situation surrounding this is pretty bad. It was actually my parents who bought and paid the xbox, they just moved in to CH from Argentina, and are kind of in a harsh economical situation, so the console was to cheer up my teen brother who was feeling a bit down due to all that.

Anyway, if you can hint me at any good approach for tracing this dude and reporting his frauds, I'd be happy to hear.

Cheers
You know, you can't post someone's number on here, as far as we know it's not for legitimate reasons either.


There is something you can do about it. Especially if he is a foreigner. You can take him to court. Now, if he is in Romania, you probably can't do anything at all. Such as any kind of Nigerian fraud scam. You really should chalk this one up to a lessoned learned. Not that it is Romania, but why if a seller is local, would you send the money outside of the country? There is going to be no re coil for that, other then to try to contact your bank and see if they can do something about it.


If the guy way truly local, then you could take him to court and demand the refund. If he doesn't pay back the money, then they can deport him. I have a friend who is swiss, who runs an online business here. Whenever someone orders something from him, he sends the item without payment, with the bill. When they do not pay, he takes them to court. He has had now 5 times an order go against foreigners that would make them have to leave the country. I would get in contact with him for you and ask how it's done, but, as I said, it looks like this person doesn't live here at all.


And you don't have to take it like olx.ch or in Switzerland there is fraud(I mean there is fraud here, but I can't see how it is in this case). I use a ton on different websites for business within the EU. All of them have some fool on their placing bogus ads of all different kinds of things. Things you would never think people would go thru the trouble to list because of their non value, to scam someone. I was looking for a house in Alsace a while back. I was responding to ads placed both their and in Cote D'Azur. And the too good to be true ads had the exact same kind of wording, and all wanting some kind of money to reserve the rented house up front, and a lot of things that looked real innocent. I reported them all, and out of something like 60 different ads, all within a tiny little area, all 60 were bogus. I mean people with no jobs spend a lot of time on these kinds of things.


Sorry I can't be more help. Be happy it wasn't a more expensive item you had to learn from.

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Old 22.05.2014, 11:49
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You paid online direct bank wire into a ROMANIAN bank account?!

Sorry, that is not fraud, that is STUPID.
I am sure he thought it was a Suisse Romande one...
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Re: Fraud via olx.ch

Thanks, guys, for the comments.

Today I was contacted by olx.ch, they confirm it is most likely fraud so they blocked the account of the seller and recommended filing a complaint with the police.
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Thanks, guys, for the comments.

Today I was contacted by olx.ch, they confirm it is most likely fraud so they blocked the account of the seller and recommended filing a complaint with the police.
That was the first thing you should have done, it's not like you were scammed through EF.

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Anyway, if you can hint me at any good approach for tracing this dude and reporting his frauds, I'd be happy to hear.
And here is when the EF team of experts come to the rescue. Seriously?
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Re: Fraud via olx.ch

Of course I contacted olx.ch before EF. What I said is that today olx.ch came back to me with a reply.

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Your sarcasm helps nobody. EF is a community of people helping people. Nobody needs to be expert on fraud, but somebody might have been through the same situation and know a specific procedure (for instance, in many countries there are regional consumer organizations that are actually in charge of dealing with fraud on private transactions).
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Sarcasm or not, if subjected to any form of fraud I'd contact the police.
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That was the first thing you should have done, it's not like you were scammed through EF.



And here is when the EF team of experts come to the rescue. Seriously?
Yeah, I mean why would anyone use the forum for help?

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Re: Fraud via olx.ch

And in fact, the biggest driver to post this on EF is not to get help, but to have this information publicly available on the Internet. Google indexes EF very often, in fact, it already indexed this thread, so now people searching for "fraud olx.ch" get this as 1st result, which hopefully might help someone who is unsure about whether to proceed with a transaction via olx or not.
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And in fact, the biggest driver to post this on EF is not to get help, but to have this information publicly available on the Internet. Google indexes EF very often, in fact, it already indexed this thread, so now people searching for "fraud olx.ch" get this as 1st result, which hopefully might help someone who is unsure about whether to proceed with a transaction via olx or not.
Yupp, you've really dug yourself into a possible legal hole, as it's quite likely that olx will see this and sue. I would in their shoes, as there's no suggestion that they were involved in any fraud at all.
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there's no suggestion that they were involved in any fraud at all.
olx.ch is not involved at all. I never implied that. Au contraire, they've been very fast to reply and confirm that indeed their platform seems to have been used for fraud.

But I don't think anyone would think olx.ch is to blame for anything here. It would be like taking gmail to court for showing you emails with scams from Nigeria.
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Yupp, you've really dug yourself into a possible legal hole, as it's quite likely that olx will see this and sue. I would in their shoes, as there's no suggestion that they were involved in any fraud at all.
This is very true. You can't go out and make un founded slanderous comments about companies as you want. I know on the EF in the past when anyone makes these kinds of comments about a certain financial investor group, those comments get deleted with the threats to sue. The OP not only made un proven comments about that website, when it was only facilitating a transaction, as if to say the website offered the thing for sale, and then didn't send it to him, he then went an added the seller's phone number. Which may or may not even have anything to do with this, as we don't know the OP as well. Regardless of his intentions.


If I was the OP I would request that the title be changed if possible, and delete any slanderous comments before it is too late. Just my opinion though. Perhaps persisting with blaming the wrong people is his way of dealing with being scammed.
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olx.ch is not involved at all. I never implied that. Au contraire, they've been very fast to reply and confirm that indeed their platform seems to have been used for fraud.

But I don't think anyone would think olx.ch is to blame for anything here. It would be like taking gmail to court for showing you emails with scams from Nigeria.
The title is Fraud via olx.ch


How does that not sound like they are involved? You could have said, Fraud via an online sales website? N'es pas?
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And in fact, the biggest driver to post this on EF is not to get help, but to have this information publicly available on the Internet. Google indexes EF very often, in fact, it already indexed this thread, so now people searching for "fraud olx.ch" get this as 1st result, which hopefully might help someone who is unsure about whether to proceed with a transaction via olx or not.
I stick to the last comment - file a complaint to the police. Given the location of the bank account, you could also try to make a complaint with all the data you've got at diicot@mpublic.ro.
I have no idea whether it's going to be answered or not if it's not done according to some specific procedures, but well, you give it a try.
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Yupp, you've really dug yourself into a possible legal hole, as it's quite likely that olx will see this and sue. I would in their shoes, as there's no suggestion that they were involved in any fraud at all.
You would?

I don't see anything negative aimed at OLX, other than a mention of their tardiness responding to reports.

I see it as a warning that OLX sales (like those everywhere else) might not be honest. It might seem obvious to us, but there are lots of people out there who think that because it's on an established site, they're protected.
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Yupp, you've really dug yourself into a possible legal hole, as it's quite likely that olx will see this and sue. I would in their shoes, as there's no suggestion that they were involved in any fraud at all.
but the OP, by accident I'd bet, actually doesn't accuse them of fraud at any point.

What is clear is they do the bare basics and the OP is the one to register the "crime".

But I have to say the warning lights should have been going off when the money was asked to be transferred to a Romanian bank.

Don't expect anything back, it's a cross-jurisdiction issue and the cost of investigating deeply into this case don't make sense. They will probably just report it to Romanian police.
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