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Old 28.05.2014, 16:56
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Best drivers - hands down Germans. Yanks, too, since they are probably born holding a steering wheel.
Depends on your definition of "best". Personally I find the Italians to be good drivers within the overall context of driving in Italy even though it might scare many visitors.

Don't agree about Americans at all....far too many are confused when faced with anything more complicated than a dead straight road and particularly with anything moving faster than about 90 Kmh. Although as a lot of my driving there was in the mid west perhaps I don't have a completely balanced view of them...
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Best drivers - hands down Germans. Yanks, too, since they are probably born holding a steering wheel.
Except for New Jerseyans. Don't know what went wrong in NJ but my god they are aggressive on the road
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Depends on your definition of "best". Personally I find the Italians to be good drivers within the overall context of driving in Italy even though it might scare many visitors.

Don't agree about Americans at all....far too many are confused when faced with anything more complicated than a dead straight road and particularly with anything moving faster than about 90 Kmh. Although as a lot of my driving there was in the mid west perhaps I don't have a completely balanced view of them...
Hmmm..true that traffic situations are somewhat pre-chewed in the US, if one happens to get into a situation without signs nor lights, people might think too hard. But I must have hung out with those few excellent US drivers then. A bunch trained in heavy vehicles, hm.

Worst drivers are back home. Here people are just too scared or passive aggressive. There (and Poland, excuses..it was the horse carriages and no lanes, other vehicles one wouldn't expect to see on a road) it's just pointlessly risky and dangerous.

I blame my driving style on the piano and sewing machine pedals habits
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Old 28.05.2014, 17:09
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Re: Driving on CH motorways

Been there, done that:

Tailgating

Swiss driving

And just to cheer you up:

The next time anyone complains about driving in CH

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Old 28.05.2014, 17:11
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Except for New Jerseyans. Don't know what went wrong in NJ but my god they are aggressive on the road
Well..NJ is known for some strangeness.

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Old 28.05.2014, 17:14
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Don't agree about Americans at all....far too many are confused when faced with anything more complicated than a dead straight road going either exactly N <-> S or E <-> W and particularly with anything moving faster than about 90 Kmh.
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Hmmm..true that traffic situations are somewhat pre-chewed in the US, if one happens to get into a situation without signs nor lights, people might think too hard. But I must have hung out with those few excellent US drivers then. A bunch trained in heavy vehicles, hm.

Worst drivers are back home. Here people are just too scared or passive aggressive. There (and Poland, excuses..it was the horse carriages and no lanes, other vehicles one wouldn't expect to see on a road) it's just pointlessly risky and dangerous.

I blame my driving style on the piano and sewing machine pedals habits
I drove a few times in CH, so I don't have much experience to have an opinion. BUT totally disagree on Italian drivers being bad and "yanks" being good. It's the opposite.

In Italy people might drive faster than usual for other countries, sometimes scaring foreigners. However, most of the drivers in the highway know how to position themselves, overtake with safety and allow others to pass. Most of the people will drive on the right lane or ultimately will move over to the right.

Yanks are good drivers? Come on, here in the US people barely use one hand on the steering wheel since they are always holding the half-litter coffee cup and the cell phone. They stick to the left lane like a plague and get offended if you politely flash the lights to ask to pass. Oh, and you don't dare approaching or overtaking them at high speed, they get scared to death and could potentially crash.
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Old 28.05.2014, 18:00
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Best drivers - hands down Germans. Yanks, too, since they are probably born holding a steering wheel.
Actually, I consider both of them to be among the worst, and I used to be one, so I should know.

Hell, even my daughters are appalled by the way people drive in the US.

Passing on the right, three lanes doing the exact same speed, the list goes on.

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Old 28.05.2014, 18:14
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Re: Driving on CH motorways

Try driving in Denmark - the most dangerous and unforeseeable drivers I have ever seen! (And I've driven in most European countries, including quite a lot in before-mentioned Italy and in Madrid - 4-lane roundabouts without lane markings)

A few things you see in Denmark: right/left lane changes without blinkers and without looking into mirrors at any point (I was <--this--> close to an accident twice on the same day when driving through Denmark). Cars speeding up insanely to not get taken over (from 90 on 100 to 145 km/h when I started taking over - WTF? Luckily I had more bhp under the hood). I drove twice through Denmark in one summer and I will definitely take the ferry in the future...

Sweden on the other hand was a surprisingly positive experience. Everyone uses blinkers, no tail-gating and predictive drivers when it comes to position themselves in traffic junctions etc.
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Old 28.05.2014, 18:56
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Passing on the right, three lanes doing the exact same speed, the list goes on.
The exit ramp on the overtaking lane was the nearest I came to an accident in the US - Dolly Daydream in front of me suddenly noticed she was on top of her exit and stamped her anchors on so she wouldn't miss it.
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Old 28.05.2014, 19:03
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Re: Driving on CH motorways

I'm Swiss and agree Swiss are not the best drivers (of course I am a big exception to this rule )

The reason simply is that they never have to drive. Everything is small and close, many don't have a car, and even if they do, their driving is restricted to getting from home to the Migros 3 kms away to do their weekly shopping... I know many, many people who wouldn't even drive into Winterthur, let alone - gasp - Zurich, as it's a big scary city

This lack of practice results in inefficient driving. It's not surprising, but still annoying… Too slow on the left lane is what bothers me the most. Daily, probably.

That being said, I once had the "pleasure" to drive in Thailand and Indonesia. Yeah, not gonna repeat that any time soon! I find the US incredibly easy to drive, it just sort of flows better in most parts.
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Old 28.05.2014, 19:08
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I know many, many people who wouldn't even drive into Winterthur, let alone - gasp - Zurich, as it's a big scary city
The only thing scary about it is all the radar boxes.

There are more on any one street than in all of Ticino.

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Old 28.05.2014, 19:19
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Have you driven in Italy?
I like driving in Italy. In general the motorways are good. Often wide (three lanes) and most Italians interpret the speed limit as a guidance to the minimum speed to travel at. Whats not to like?
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Old 28.05.2014, 19:44
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I like driving in Italy... Whats not to like?
The tolls.

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Old 28.05.2014, 20:56
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Re: Driving on CH motorways

Looking at official statistics of accidents in cities, the rates have fallen over the past years except in Basel and Geneva.

http://www.astra.admin.ch/unfalldate...x.html?lang=de
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Im getting mad about driving on CH motorways. It looks to me that in general drivers here can't drive in a normal way. My observations are following:

1. If you want to overtake car they slightly speed up
2. Drivers barley use right line
3. Drivers change lines in unexpected way
4. Drivers brake in unexpected way

What are your observations?

You've never been stuck on a British motorway behind two chatting ladies called Penelope and Dorothy driving a Morris Minor at 40 miles an hour in the middle lane! Try also the giant brown and beige camper van (must be Ralph and Beryl behind the wheel + dog called Whisky) making sure they overtake everyone despite the fact that they cannot go faster than 40 miles/hour! You'll never complain about Swiss motorways again!
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Old 28.05.2014, 23:44
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The only thing scary about it is all the radar boxes.

There are more on any one street than in all of Ticino.

Tom
Haha yeah, but once you've driven around the city regularly, you know the locations of most radars. So it's sort of like "drive- damn, brake - drive - damn, forgot about that one, braaake". Very efficient!

My rather-take-the-train-friends are usually especially scared simply of the increased amount of other cars, one-way streets (not kidding) and - of course - big highways with even more cars! I will probably never see eye to eye with them on this issue (I drive a lot and everywhere)...
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Try driving in Denmark - the most dangerous and unforeseeable drivers I have ever seen!
I've no idea how it is nowadays, but I drove a lot in Denmark back in the 'seventies. The trademark behavior of Danish drivers back then was this: You are driving on a dead straight road. You can see the next curve a good mile ahead. A guy is tailgating you, you feel his breath in you neck. He keeps doing that until you reach the totally broken corner where you have no chance to see if there is oncoming traffic. And that's where he all of a sudden passes you full blast.

Happened to me dozens of times.
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Sure I did. In my oppinion in IT or DE traffic is much more fluent. Drivers are more "flexible"
That the Italian drivers are more flexible then people here, YES. But to describe the German drivers as flexible clearly is BIZARRE
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This should head more towards the Repercussion of the last vote thread, heh. Isn't it always them foreigners. Or, it's at least as bad/good outside? Wonderful come backs.

( you wrong, btw, it's the Valaisans)
as the saying goes immer die chaibe Wallisser (always those strange Wallisser)
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