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Drivers do not use indicators at all! They think that if the lane is designated to make a turn the indicator is not obligatory. Then they go to France and create chaos on the roads. Additionally, drivers from the Geneva canton seem to be the worst case (especially on motorways). It is especially annoying when you use a cruise control and leave safe space behind the cat in front. They will use this to overtake you, put they car right in front of yours and then brake slightly because the overtaking took them over the speed limit... I flash the hell out of such individuals ;>
How funny that a member of the worst driving nation in Europe keeps claiming about driving condition outside of Poland!
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Re: Driving on CH motorways

Indeed, driving in Switzerland requires not only engaging right gears but also certain pattern recognition skills
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Erm from last weekend experience DE driving standards are dropping.

Some twat decided to pull out on me doing roughly 130kph when I'm at 230kph.

Another section which I was just about holding 240kph for safety (road bent) and a dickhead in a Camero is tailgating me? I had no free space on the inside lane. Like WTF? Leave a gap you idiot.

I accelerated to 250+ and that seemed to get him to back off. Then 2 minutes later he slows down and pulls into the inside lane and I notice a "inflatable blond" in the passenger seat. Erm no I don't want a race. It's a road not a racetrack.

Coming back into CH felt like doing 30kph, there is no reason why some sections of CH autobahn should not have 140/150 limits (or higher).

Dickheads on the roads get on my nerves too.
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Drivers do not use indicators at all! They think that if the lane is designated to make a turn the indicator is not obligatory.

It's not obligatory in such cases.

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Sound and air pollution perhaps?!
@ the groaners Cata1yst, Mark75, nickatbasel

gentlemen (?) this is no joke. And whether you like it or not, these are major reasons in Switzerland to reduce speed limits. I do not know how you live and how these issues are handled were you come from, but here in Switzerland a lot of poeple have to live near motorways (except the rich ones, of course) and they indeed and profoundly appreciate such political decisions ... which are in fact sometimes explicitely based on public votes (speak: voting majority), for example the motorways around and through Lucerne. And those affected are really thankful to that majority who voted in their favor even though not being affected.

And nickatbasel, thanks for your repeated reds, again! Again, ignorance and stupidity are still no virtues.
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Exposure at its EF best.
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Sound and air pollution perhaps?!
One could argue that cars built in the last 5 years travelling at 150kmh are quieter and more efficient than those built 20-25 years ago doing 120kmh.

Mind you - it could also be argued that lighter/higher performance cars have better braking systems allowing them to stop from higher speeds in a shorter distance - and therefore should be allowed to drive faster

However, I clocked 280km across Switzerland yesterday - in just under 3 hours and travelled at fractionally below the indicated speed limit at all times - the result was that the Disco returned a staggeringly impressive 30mpg (UK)!!

If it hadn't had been for a cold start in Verbier and that hill out of Lausanne it could have been higher.
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@ the groaners Cata1yst, Mark75, nickatbasel

gentlemen (?) this is no joke. And whether you like it or not, these are major reasons in Switzerland to reduce speed limits. I do not know how you live and how these issues are handled were you come from, but here in Switzerland a lot of poeple have to live near motorways (except the rich ones, of course) and they indeed and profoundly appreciate such political decisions ... which are in fact sometimes explicitely based on public votes (speak: voting majority), for example the motorways around and through Lucerne. And those affected are really thankful to that majority who voted in their favor even though not being affected.

And nickatbasel, thanks for your repeated reds, again! Again, ignorance and stupidity are still no virtues.
I might be missing something but the highway through Luzern is already a) mostly underground and b) restricted and enforced at 100 and 80kph.

Also the solutions to soundproof the highway at certain points are very effective. Not so pretty (there are some people who can't hear the highway now but lost their view - can't please all the people all the time!)
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One could argue that cars built in the last 5 years travelling at 150kmh are quieter and more efficient than those built 20-25 years ago doing 120kmh.

Mind you - it could also be argued that lighter/higher performance cars have better braking systems allowing them to stop from higher speeds in a shorter distance - and therefore should be allowed to drive faster

However, I clocked 280km across Switzerland yesterday - in just under 3 hours and travelled at fractionally below the indicated speed limit at all times - the result was that the Disco returned a staggeringly impressive 30mpg (UK)!!

If it hadn't had been for a cold start in Verbier and that hill out of Lausanne it could have been higher.

I did not argue pro or contra, I just mentioned that these are real political reasons why there are often speed reductions to be found on Swiss motorways below the max 120. That's all what I wrote, though some Effers are not even able to read it that simple way. Well.
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I might be missing something but the highway through Luzern is already a) mostly underground and b) restricted and enforced at 100 and 80kph.

Also the solutions to soundproof the highway at certain points are very effective. Not so pretty (there are some people who can't hear the highway now but lost their view - can't please all the people all the time!)
Did I say anything else?

Again, I just pointed out the actual situation and why it is that way it is. I can not even vote in Lucerne!
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Sound and air pollution perhaps?!
Which of course is why drivers of electric cars are allowed to drive in Switzerland at whatever speed they choose.
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Which of course is why drivers of electric cars are allowed to drive in Switzerland at whatever speed they choose.
Well in this case sound from the tyres (at speed more from tyres than from the engine even if petrol anyway) and enforced battery range preservation?

Alternatively as this is Switzerland it would take them at least 20 years to get round to changing any laws to reflect this.
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Well in this case sound from the tyres (at speed more from tyres than from the engine even if petrol anyway) and enforced battery range preservation?
I find the Teslas very disappointing here: a car with no engine noise but a lot of tyre noise. Major flaw in the concept. If I would make an electric car, I would try to make it as silent as possible.
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I find the Teslas very disappointing here: a car with no engine noise but a lot of tyre noise. Major flaw in the concept. If I would make an electric car, I would try to make it as silent as possible.
Well at car park speeds they are. Great fun sneaking up on pedestrians....
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I find the Teslas very disappointing here: a car with no engine noise but a lot of tyre noise. Major flaw in the concept. If I would make an electric car, I would try to make it as silent as possible.
Some things are not possible to avoid. It would take very soft rubber on the grainy surface and more rigid on the smooth surface to maintain low noise levels. The surface on the motorway changes frequently as you drive along so this is the one aspect of car noise that will be never eliminated using rubber tyres. Unless they come up with some super-plastics in the future that can change their hardness according to the road smoothness
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It's not obligatory in such cases.

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I suggest you re-learn some rules from the source below before going to the roads again:

http://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifie...index.html#a39

ANY turning HAS to be properly indicated.
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I find the Teslas very disappointing here: a car with no engine noise but a lot of tyre noise. Major flaw in the concept. If I would make an electric car, I would try to make it as silent as possible.
Maybe you don't know that there already are efforts to make electric vehicles louder because an approaching noiseless vehicle is deemed dangerous.

Before the advent of electric cars and scooters, the only more or less noiseless vehicles a pedestrian could collide with were bicycles, which are not as dangerous as cars to be knocked down by.
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Well at car park speeds they are. Great fun sneaking up on pedestrians....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electri...warning_sounds
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Re: Driving on CH motorways

When asked by a young patrol officer, "Do you know you were speeding?"
This 83-year-old woman gave the young officer an ear to ear smile and stated:-
"Yes, but . . . I had to get there before I forgot where I was going."
The officer put his ticket book away and bid her good day.
Makes perfectly good sense to me!!
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I suggest you re-learn some rules from the source below before going to the roads again:

http://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifie...index.html#a39

ANY turning HAS to be properly indicated.
No, that's not what it says.

Any change of lane has to be indicated, but if you are in a lane that must turn, it does not apply as you are not changing lanes.

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