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No, that's not what it says.

Any change of lane has to be indicated, but if you are in a lane that must turn, it does not apply as you are not changing lanes.

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Maybe in your little world, Tom :> You are in the Switzerland, read the rules and obey them to the letter
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Well at car park speeds they are. Great fun sneaking up on pedestrians....
Take it that is NO then.
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@ the groaners Cata1yst, Mark75, nickatbasel

gentlemen (?) this is no joke. And whether you like it or not, these are major reasons in Switzerland to reduce speed limits. I do not know how you live and how these issues are handled were you come from, but here in Switzerland a lot of poeple have to live near motorways (except the rich ones, of course) and they indeed and profoundly appreciate such political decisions ... which are in fact sometimes explicitely based on public votes (speak: voting majority), for example the motorways around and through Lucerne. And those affected are really thankful to that majority who voted in their favor even though not being affected.

And nickatbasel, thanks for your repeated reds, again! Again, ignorance and stupidity are still no virtues.
Yes but as in Germany there are rural sections of the autobahn that could and should carry higher limits I'm not suggesting this in central Zurich. The pollution angle is bollox too as cars are more efficient and the arguments used at the time were mainly due to lead + sulphur in petrol.

Remember acid rain? Oh okay then lets make the limits 50kmh everywhere for the next 100 years.
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Yes but as in Germany there are rural sections of the autobahn that could and should carry higher limits I'm not suggesting this in central Zurich. The pollution angle is bollox too as cars are more efficient and the arguments used at the time were mainly due to lead + sulphur in petrol.

Remember acid rain? Oh okay then lets make the limits 50kmh everywhere for the next 100 years.
And lets add 70% on diesel prices in CH because the engines create particles (oh wait, double particulate filtering with soot afterburning...Who cares?? MONEY!!!!)
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Maybe you don't know that there already are efforts to make electric vehicles louder because an approaching noiseless vehicle is deemed dangerous.

Before the advent of electric cars and scooters, the only more or less noiseless vehicles a pedestrian could collide with were bicycles, which are not as dangerous as cars to be knocked down by.
yes, but because of the big tires, these cars are probably more noisy than an old Fiat Panda.
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Old 16.12.2014, 13:12
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Maybe in your little world, Tom :> You are in the Switzerland, read the rules and obey them to the letter
Dream on, dude. Tom is in Ticino.
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Dream on, dude. Tom is in Ticino.
Oh yes, that explains everything
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No, that's not what it says.

Any change of lane has to be indicated, but if you are in a lane that must turn, it does not apply as you are not changing lanes.

Tom
Actually, Jakub is right (despite being polish ).
See attachment - from an official test.
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Re: Driving on CH motorways

I think Tom is talking about where there are multiple lanes - for example on a motorway intersection, you are travelling northbound and will merge with a motorway going East-West - your round will have 2 lanes one to go East and one to go West. Once in your lane you don't need to continue to indicate you are going left (Westbound) or right (Eastbound).

This is the cue for Wollishofener to once again ask why you indicate left when joining a motorway instead of right.
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Actually, Jakub is right (despite being polish ).
See attachment - from an official test.

Nope.

While the main road goes to the right, he is not obliged to go right, thus he is required to signal.

If the other two roads had do not enter signs, he would be obliged to go to the right, and hence would not need to signal.

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Nope.

While the main road goes to the right, he is not obliged to go right, thus he is required to signal.

If the other two roads had do not enter signs, he would be obliged to go to the right, and hence would not need to signal.

Tom
Man...ALWAYS is ALWAYS - no matter what language is used to state that :] Ok let me put this another way: When you cross the line you need to use the indicator, right? What is the difference between crossing the line dividing the road into two directions (when turning) and a the line of multiple lane road (changing the line)?NONE, In BOTH cases you cross the line hence you MUST notify other users of the road with the indicator. Simple. Only not for Italians But we all love them anyway :P
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Nope.

While the main road goes to the right, he is not obliged to go right, thus he is required to signal.

If the other two roads had do not enter signs, he would be obliged to go to the right, and hence would not need to signal.

Tom
So basically you're saying no need to use indicators if there's only one direction legally available. You could just as well say none needed on the serpentine linked in post #82.

Am I the only one who finds such a remark just a tad silly?
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Old 17.12.2014, 12:33
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So basically you're saying no need to use indicators if there's only one direction legally available. You could just as well say none needed on the serpentine linked in post #82.
Well ... yeah. There's no requirement to indicate while going round a hairpin bend, or any other type of bend or corner where no alternative exists. In fact, it may be confusing for other road users if indicators were used in such circumstances.

In an unprecedented turn of events, I agree with st2lemans on this issue. Maybe we're both wrong ... but I don't think so.

On a similar note, indicating when entering and while in a roundabout (as is required in the UK and Australia) is not permitted in Switzerland, because you have no choice but to turn right into the roundabout. Only when you plan to leave the roundabout do you indicate right in advance of your exit.
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On a similar note, indicating when entering and while in a roundabout (as is required in the UK and Australia) is not permitted in Switzerland, because you have no choice but to turn right into the roundabout. Only when you plan to leave the roundabout do you indicate right in advance of your exit.
Never been stopped for doing it though
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On a similar note, indicating when entering and while in a roundabout (as is required in the UK and Australia) is not permitted in Switzerland, because you have no choice but to turn right into the roundabout. Only when you plan to leave the roundabout do you indicate right in advance of your exit.
You can imagine the roundabout as a normal junction with several turns. Indicating left on the roundabout just tells other users that you are going to turn left from the entering road or make a U-Turn - just like on the normal junction.
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You can imagine the roundabout as a normal junction with several turns. Indicating left on the roundabout just tells other users that you are going to turn left from the entering road or make a U-Turn - just like on the normal junction.
... except that you are not permitted to do that in Switzerland. No indicating prior to entering, nor while driving in the roundabout, until you approach your desired exit -- and then you indicate right.


ETA: In point of fact, I'm not certain that you're "not permitted" to indicate left in a roundabout, but certainly it is not required. The requirements are as follows (thanks, vwild1):
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... except that you are not permitted to do that in Switzerland. No indicating prior to entering, nor while driving in the roundabout, until you approach your desired exit -- and then you indicate right.
It's not forbidden to indicate left when joining a roundabout but it's not required either. More and more people are doing it now it seems to me.

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... except that you are not permitted to do that in Switzerland. No indicating prior to entering, nor while driving in the roundabout, until you approach your desired exit -- and then you indicate right.


ETA: In point of fact, I'm not certain that you're "not permitted" to indicate left in a roundabout, but certainly it is not required. The requirements are as follows (thanks, vwild1):
As I said before: indicating is ALWAYS required when you change the lane or cross the the line dividing the street into two ways. On the roundabout you only change the lane when exiting hence the requirement of using the right indicator. If you signal left though you are increasing the safety by letting ppl know your intentions.
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Im getting mad about driving on CH motorways. It looks to me that in general drivers here can't drive in a normal way. My observations are following:

1. If you want to overtake car they slightly speed up
2. Drivers barley use right line
3. Drivers change lines in unexpected way
4. Drivers brake in unexpected way

What are your observations?
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Sure I did. In my oppinion in IT or DE traffic is much more fluent. Drivers are more "flexible"
Key words are "fluent traffic". The issue in Switzerland IMO, are the ever altering speed limits and too many on and off ramps on highways. This and the never ending road works cause disruption to the flow of traffic and thus, forcing people to engage in points 2-4 of your observation list.

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Old 28.12.2014, 10:11
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Drivers do not use indicators at all! They think that if the lane is designated to make a turn the indicator is not obligatory. Then they go to France and create chaos on the roads. Additionally, drivers from the Geneva canton seem to be the worst case (especially on motorways). It is especially annoying when you use a cruise control and leave safe space behind the cat in front. They will use this to overtake you, put they car right in front of yours and then brake slightly because the overtaking took them over the speed limit... I flash the hell out of such individuals ;>


To get to France to increase their chaos is the silent revenge of the Genevans against the French who create chaos in Geneva as daily professional routine
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