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Old 30.12.2014, 22:12
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Starting a sentence with so does not make for improper English.
So what is your point and where did I say it had anything to do with proper english
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Old 30.12.2014, 22:28
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So this thread is just wasting everyones time arguing about proper english when it doesnt even matter all that matters is communication

So what!
It's a call for elegance. Scruffiness has a place.

Commanding someone's attention by saying 'Oi!' or 'So' are effective tactics but a friendly "Bob, may I ask you about..?" may elicit a warmer response.

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I just ignored the Latin, not having had the privilege of a proper education.
Hey, I couldn't conjugate any of those Latin verbs but a bit of curiousity and imagination lead me to discover all manner of things. Don't be glum. It's a funny story of futility, impotent rage and retribution; Romans, North Africans, Sards... it goes on and on. There's even an alleged story of Hannibal crossing through Zurich and leaving an Elephant behind!

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In the introduction to his translation of Beowulf, Seamus Heaney says this:
It's still Fugly. Irish people often use it at the beginning or even end of sentences but it somehow seems more inward in intonation. The faux-assertiveness of 'So' is what grates, not the word itself.
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Old 30.12.2014, 23:01
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Swiss German equally infuriating habit:
Ending every darn sentence with "..., oder?"

Don't a lot of german sentences start with "Also" which is the English "So"?

I could easily be wrong, oder?
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Old 30.12.2014, 23:05
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Re: 'So' increasingly used as a sentence marker

So. It seems I might be guilty of this. Though I generally use it as a separate sentence.

Which might be worse.

Sorry, Max.


Of course, if I lived in a land where I could use proper English, I'd start, "Now then."
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Old 30.12.2014, 23:10
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Re: 'So' increasingly used as a sentence marker

I can accept starting sentences with "so", but continually using a made-up word like "fugly" is completely inexcusable.

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Old 30.12.2014, 23:24
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Re: 'So' increasingly used as a sentence marker

ergo ?
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Old 31.12.2014, 07:17
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Re: 'So' increasingly used as a sentence marker

So, how you doin?

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Please drop it; it's fugly.
"So, I was driving my car and..."

"I was driving my car..." is adequate.
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Re: 'So' increasingly used as a sentence marker

I find myself starting sentences with "so" but assumed that is was due to living in a French-speaking environment for so long and was bleed-through from the French way of speaking. I also find myself saying "peut-être" and "aussi" when speaking English and rapidly having to correct myself
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It's a call for elegance. Scruffiness has a place.

Commanding someone's attention by saying 'Oi!' or 'So' are effective tactics but a friendly "Bob, may I ask you about..?" may elicit a warmer response.
A call for elegance, while using the word "fugly" in the same post. Mmkay.

Either way seems it like this is a natural progression of language, and experts moire knowledgeable than you or I seem to think it isn't necessarily a bad thing: http://www.today.com/health/so-heres...-so-2D79669285

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It has become so ubiquitous, some business experts say it undermines the speaker’s credibility. A recent Fast Company story claims the overuse of "so" implies we're dumbing down our comments and aren't comfortable with what we're saying. But speech and language experts say, "Not so." It’s a response that helps create comaraderie and introduce listeners to an idea — a mild warning that some heavy content is coming.
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“There are different types of so,” says Galina Bolden, an associate professor in the communication department at Rutgers University. She finds we often use so to make an inference.

Bolden looked at how we use so before questions. In a query such as, “So, how was your trip?” the so indicates prior knowledge.

“It suggests a relationship to another conversation and [the person’s] interest,” she says.

But people often answer questions with a "so," and this serves a different purpose. In this case, so introduces the listeners to an idea.
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Amee Shah, an associate professor and research director of the Speech Acoustics & Perception Laboratory at Cleveland State University, says that using so doesn’t mean that someone is uneducated or lacks confidence, despite some feeling that this is the case.

“It shows that whatever is coming up next will be content heavy,” she says, adding that sometimes using so is involuntary such as using, "um," "well," or "you know."
Anyway, if it was good enough for Shakespeare...
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Anyway, if it was good enough for Shakespeare...
He also wrote of "country matters" ...
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He also wrote of "country matters" ...
Well, Chaucer got there before he did...
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Old 31.12.2014, 10:46
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In the introduction to his translation of Beowulf, Seamus Heaney says this:
So, it is quite legitimate as a 'discourse marker'. Anyway, for such a short word, a lot has been said about it and here is a remarkably complete examination of it link by Bruce Fraser. (So), any more questions ?
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Old 31.12.2014, 12:27
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So, it is quite legitimate as a 'discourse marker'. Anyway, for such a short word, a lot has been said about it and here is a remarkably complete examination of it link by Bruce Fraser. (So), any more questions ?
No one mentioned Peter Gabriel's best album So
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Re: 'So' increasingly used as a sentence marker

My daughter starts every sentance with 'mum'. Now that is very annoying in a twenty minute conversation.
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My daughter starts every sentance with 'mum'. Now that is very annoying in a twenty minute conversation.
Even when she's talking to her father?
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Swiss German equally infuriating habit:
Ending every darn sentence with "..., oder?"


or its French equivalent ..., quoi"
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Old 31.12.2014, 13:04
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Re: 'So' increasingly used as a sentence marker

Welcome to the 'United World of America'.

The uneducated language of America which is slowly but surely destroying the English language.
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Welcome to the 'United World of America'.

The uneducated language of America which is slowly but surely destroying the English language.
Except, as has been amply demonstrated above, it isn't.
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Except, as has been amply demonstrated above, it isn't.
Whateva dude, talk to the hand!
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A call for elegance, while using the word "fugly" in the same post. Mmkay.

Either way seems it like this is a natural progression of language, and experts moire knowledgeable than you or I seem to think it isn't necessarily a bad thing: http://www.today.com/health/so-heres...-so-2D79669285

Anyway, if it was good enough for Shakespeare...
Congrats!

Expert knowledge granted; opinion is another matter.

I've been prey to it myself; when those around me used the word 'dude' a lot, I found myself also using it, which no doubt annoyed everyone.

Not the only thing, I'm sure...

Happy New Year!
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