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Re: Ripped Off by Centralgarage Bernet in Klosters

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Total nonsense.
Where do you get this crap?
Renault mechanic who worked on an electrical problem with our car. The issues started after I'd used it to jump-start another car. Is easy to find many internet sources with the same opinion; of course it's also easy to find many internet sources with the *opposite* opinion. I won't be trying it again in a hurry though
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Old 31.12.2014, 23:19
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Re: Ripped Off by Centralgarage Bernet in Klosters

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Renault mechanic who worked on an electrical problem with our car. The issues started after I'd used it to jump-start another car.
TBF, the issues started when it left the factory. It was a Renault, after all.

But anyway, as stated, there's no way a "jump-start" could cause any damage, unless you connected the cables the wrong way round.

Think about it, you have a 12V battery, which has gone flat; you connect another 12V source in parallel, which as far as the rest of the circuit is concerned is simply a non-flat battery. What do you think could happen to cause a problem?

You connected the cables the wrong way round first time, didn't you?
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Re: Ripped Off by Centralgarage Bernet in Klosters

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TBF, the issues started when it left the factory. It was a Renault, after all.
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But anyway, as stated, there's no way a "jump-start" could cause any damage, unless you connected the cables the wrong way round.

Think about it, you have a 12V battery, which has gone flat; you connect another 12V source in parallel, which as far as the rest of the circuit is concerned is simply a non-flat battery. What do you think could happen to cause a problem?
Pass.

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You connected the cables the wrong way round first time, didn't you?
No, and have done it many times before without issue. I probably removed the cables while the engines were running, though.

I should know better than to stick my oar in with a car thread
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Re: Ripped Off by Centralgarage Bernet in Klosters

I've had the RAC out in the UK under my Zurich Relax for free so it does work.

For vehicle-to-vehicle jumps, there is little chance of damage but you do know the negative cable from the donor goes to earth on the busted vehicle? And if your alternator is goosed, it will fry replacement batteries?

Of course this assumes 12 volts all round
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Re: Ripped Off by Centralgarage Bernet in Klosters

Using jump leads to start a car is not totally harmless. Apart from the risk of damage by failing to observe the polarity of the batteries, which has already been mentioned, there is also the risk of explosion by the ignition of hydrogen gas. Here is a rather dramatic illustration:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgfwH6zRmRA

There used to be an additional risk in the days when some cars had a positive earth. If the batteries of car with a negative earth and a car with a positive earth were interconnected with jump leads, and say the car doors touched each other, there could have been a nasty short circuit. Beware if you are asked to help jump start a vintage car !
http://www.jag-lovers.org/xk-lovers/...ry_jumping.htm

A further aside is that if a car battery is totally discharged, it is possible to accidentally reverse its polarity by incorrectly connecting the charger to it. This could easily happen, say, if the battery is removed from the car for charging. Very nasty when the battery is reinstalled in the car.
http://www.batterystuff.com/blog/bat...-polarity.html
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Re: Ripped Off by Centralgarage Bernet in Klosters

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I would have thought that if a mechanic has to leave the premises to come and work on your car - whether it's 20m or 2km away - there would be a call-out fee. But I'm a newbie car owner in Switzerland, so I don't know. Can anyone else confirm whether jumps are normally offered for free?
I'm sure our local garage would do this for free- because we use him several times a year for routine maintenance and changing Summer/winter tyres over. We've got to know him well over the years. He might add 30CHF on the next bill perhaps, probably not. Why should he drop the jobs he is doing and that he has probably got a deadline for, for regular customers- to come and get you on your way- for nothing??? He does not know you from Adam's, and you've never given him any customs, nor are likely to do so again.

Oh, and we do not live in Klosters either, so things might be a bit different here. The guy probably knows how much that Hôtel costs over Christmas. What car was it- a 2CV?

Still can't believe someone joined EF just to post this though. Maybe it is reverse advertising for the Hôtel??? I googled it- looks quite nice

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Re: Ripped Off by Centralgarage Bernet in Klosters

As I said in my earlier post I am sure the hotel would have helped him out for free also.
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Re: Ripped Off by Centralgarage Bernet in Klosters

Dear Mods: I would love to see this thread deleted since it's a misleading and could damage this garage's business which is not fair. The OP's complaint is unfounded and poorly thought out.

1. The OP needed help while on holiday to start his car and called a garage, which is a business.
2. A mechanic came and provided the asked service in little time.
3. The garage charged the OP for SFr. 100 for service rendered.

This is normal business and not a rip off.

4. The OP complains on an internet forum because he was charged for a service rendered and names the garage. Bad behaviour, OP. You should be ashamed of yourself.

If anything, I'd like to turn this thread around and say:

For any emergencies with your car, call Centralgarage Bernet in Klosters. They will come to your service and provide adequate help immediately for a fee.
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Scandal: Garage in Klosters charges a fee for its services.

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. . . I would love to see this thread deleted since it's a misleading and could damage this garage's business which is not fair. The OP's complaint is unfounded and poorly thought out . . .
The only reputation that has been damaged is that of the OP, who is anyway a 1 time poster, and probably has no reputation to lose, here or anywhere else. Surely, no one would take the complaint seriously. No one here has. The thread will help those, who do not fully understand the situation here, to realise that Swiss garages will charge for their services.
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Re: Scandal: Garage in Klosters charges a fee for its services.

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The only reputation that has been damaged is that of the OP, who is anyway a 1 time poster, and probably has no reputation to lose, here or anywhere else. Surely, no one would take the complaint seriously. No one here has. The thread will help those, who do not fully understand the situation here, to realise that Swiss garages will charge for their services.
Yes he/she is a 1 time poster, who found the Complaints on EF!

By the way, most garages in any country would charge*. Something similar happened to me years ago in UK, with a garage to a new address I moved, it was a few hundred meters from me. As it was local to me, I had been thinking to use it for other services, well I did not after that & realised my mistake not asking for a price to start with. It was not during the holiday season & the person did not come within a few minutes, not that I had requested them to.

*If it is a garage you use a lot, maybe then they would not charge much for this paricularly if not peak holiday time.
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Re: [Not] Ripped Off by Centralgarage Bernet in Klosters

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Re: [Not] Ripped Off by Centralgarage Bernet in Klosters

For future reference such car problems may well be covered by various insurance. I once locked my keys in my car and had to call out the VW dealer. They got them out and it was completely free, covered by my VW warranty...
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