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here´s my little story.
last week at Migros in Embrach I made for the strawberry display - 50% reduction offer. Standing next to me was the Migros lady tidying up the display. When I pointed out that that some of the fruit were covered in green hairy mould she responded by saying "that´s why they´re 50% off!!!!!"
If the staff are prepared to let people buy this stuff then there is no hope for improvement. You just could not expect this to happen in Tesco et al in the UK.
Normally they are a bit more sneaky... I have bought strawberries and raspberries in the last week where the top lot look luscious and ripe and the b*ggers underneath are almost putrid.
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When I pointed out that that some of the fruit were covered in green hairy mould she responded by saying "that´s why they´re 50% off!!!!!"
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This is shocking...
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Re: Migros and COOP - Low quality explained...

COOP Oerlikon this weekend had a big ‘spread’ of stawberries on offer, they come in these little wooden tubs for taking home and nibbling, every one had a rotten strawberry in, and if it was not a rotten strawberry, it was a strawberry that looked like the ******* mongoloid son of a mating between a lettuce and a rubics cube.. I am somewhat pushed to imagine the following COOP advertisement:

Kids playing around in living room, Dad watching telly over the noise.

Cut to: Mum getting in the front door with COOP bags.

Mum “Hey kids, I’ve got a treat for you”

Kids drop what they are doing and rush to the kitchen

Cut to: Dad following

Cut to: Kitchen. Mum pulls out a little wooden tub of rotten strawberries

Kids grab a strawberry each, jostling each other.

Cut to: CU of 13 year old daughter taking a big bite out of the rotten strawberry, a little green fur sticks to her top lip.

13YO: “Hmmmmm”

Cut to: COOP Logo made of strawberries

Voiceover: Strawberries, Swiss Quality from COOP

Swiss: [img] http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2339/2240604903_b09926a214.jpg?v=0[/img]

Tesco: [img] http://www.rampantscotland.com/graphics/strawberries_angus_ava1a.jpg [/img]
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Old 07.07.2008, 13:33
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Apparently it is well known in the industry that the Brits (Tesco, Sainsbury's, ASDA etc) take the best for the UK, the other european nations then go in at various levels and at the very bottom of the pile, is Migros and COOP. .
Not sure whether that's not wishful thinking.

Doesn't every country think the same?

Don't even get me started on what my Swiss friends who are living in London tell me about their Tesco's experiences.
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Not sure whether that's not wishful thinking.

Doesn't every country think the same?
Well, given that I am quoting a buyer (and a Swissie at that) for Migros... I am not sure what your point is.

If we were to take his comments as only heresay (sp?) then we perhaps the fact that I have lived in Germany for 5 years, Netherlands for 3, Spainf for 2, Paris for 1 and the UK for 20+ (I am skipping Belgium for 6 months as the only think I bought there was Haagan Daz) whilst also regularly shopping in Austria, Italy and now Germany and that nothing I have seen comes close to the appalling lack of quality of Swiss supermarket products. Add to that the ALDI quality (and success in Switzerland).. How can you not go to a foreign supermarket and not be embarrased by 'Swiss quality'.

If you don't think the quality in CH is that bad, perhaps you could suggest where you are coming from. I remember Moscow and Jarolslavl 'shops' where grey boxes proclaimed that they had 'meat' inside. Beef, Chicken or lamb - anyones guess.
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Re: Migros and COOP - Low quality explained...

I have to agree I've been very disappointed with both COOPs in Oerlikon recently. Everything from strawberries, nectarines, peaches, onions, potatoes, tomatoes, lettuce, peppers (some of which were produced in Switzerland and are in season now so no excuses!) being moldy and or rotten in the packaging when I unpacked them 5 mins after purchasing them. I even check before buying there but it seems the bad ones are always hiding on the bottom. Also saw the delicious looking strawberry stand on Saturday and vowed never to buy strawberries there again.

Farmers/local markets are all well and good but most of them seem to be open only during work hours (eg Winterthur, Tuesday and Friday mornings) so, while I'd love to shop there (I was a regular at the Sat morning farmers market back home) it's not possible and I'm limited to the convenience of COOP and Migros.
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Don't even get me started on what my Swiss friends who are living in London tell me about their Tesco's experiences.
Well if I had to guess...

Food lasts for ever.

The fruit and veggies taste of nothing.

Far too much choice of the same product.

The supermarkets are too busy, too large and too far away.

Individual products are cheaper but every trip costs a fortune.

The car parks are free.

The can't buy swiss wine.

One thing they won't be saying however is:

The veggies are rotten on the shelves, the fruit is rancid and the bread rock hard...
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Also saw the delicious looking strawberry stand on Saturday and vowed never to buy strawberries there again.

Thats the baby, I saw it and almost took a photo just to post on this forum..

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Farmers/local markets are all well and good but most of them seem to be open only during work hours (eg Winterthur, Tuesday and Friday mornings) so, while I'd love to shop there (I was a regular at the Sat morning farmers market back home) it's not possible and I'm limited to the convenience of COOP and Migros.
Oerlikon has two a week in the square behind the SwissHotel, Wednesday til 12pm and Saturday til 12pm. There is an Italian meat and cheese stall towards the back (last but one row furthest from the hotel IIRC). Products to die for, pricey of course. But the taste...
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Will have to check out the Oerlikon one then.

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Oerlikon has two a week in the square behind the SwissHotel, Wednesday til 12pm and Saturday til 12pm. There is an Italian meat and cheese stall towards the back (last but one row furthest from the hotel IIRC). Products to die for, pricey of course. But the taste...
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Old 07.07.2008, 15:07
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here´s my little story.
last week at Migros in Embrach I made for the strawberry display - 50% reduction offer. Standing next to me was the Migros lady tidying up the display. When I pointed out that that some of the fruit were covered in green hairy mould she responded by saying "that´s why they´re 50% off!!!!!"
If the staff are prepared to let people buy this stuff then there is no hope for improvement. You just could not expect this to happen in Tesco et al in the UK.
Yeah right. I've been to Britain a couple of times and never thought they had better products than here.

Apart from that: it's illegal to sell moldy stuff here. Next time just inform them that they'll be hearing from the "Gesundheitsamt".

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Re: Migros and COOP - Low quality explained...

I've got used to the short shelf life of fruit and veg here, and just buy stuff every couple of days.

One thing that ****es me off though is when they package veg up, so I always buy more than I need. I can't just buy one brocoli, or a handful of runner beans. If I want a different variety of potato to whatever they have that month, I have to buy a sack. And chilis, the tiny hot ones, I only ever use one or two in a dish, yet they will only sell me a pack of 10. Still, they do this back in the UK too, and it annoyed me there too.
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Well if I had to guess...

Food lasts for ever.

The fruit and veggies taste of nothing.

Far too much choice of the same product.

The supermarkets are too busy, too large and too far away.

Individual products are cheaper but every trip costs a fortune.

The car parks are free.

The can't buy swiss wine.

One thing they won't be saying however is:

The veggies are rotten on the shelves, the fruit is rancid and the bread rock hard...
Don't know about the choice.
Last time I tried to buy rabbit at a Tescoes the guy looked at me as if I'd just come from the Moon. The choice of cheese is pretty miserable. The organic stuff (if you can find it all) is a bit of a joke and overpriced at that. The bread only stays soft because it's got more chemicals than wheat. Ditto for the fresh strawberries you get in February (they actually have to fumigate these and then spray them with strawberry essence so they smell right). Your so called choice often just amounts to the same product with different wrappers and labels. etc etc etc.
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Don't know about the choice.
Last time I tried to buy rabbit at a Tescoes the guy looked at me as if I'd just come from the Moon. The choice of cheese is pretty miserable. The organic stuff (if you can find it all) is a bit of a joke and overpriced at that. The bread only stays soft because it's got more chemicals than wheat. Ditto for the fresh strawberries you get in February (they actually have to fumigate these and then spray them with strawberry essence so they smell right). Your so called choice often just amounts to the same product with different wrappers and labels. etc etc etc.
Rabbit meat is not widely available in England, neither is Horse meat. Culturally the Brits ride Horses rather than eat them and Rabbit has not been popular since the 50's. I'd be interested to know in which Tesco you found the cheese selection to be poor.

I consider myself to take a pretty objective view when comparing UK and Swiss supermarkets, Tesco does come out on top though when you consider your buying power in Tesco compared to Co-Op or Migros.
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Out of interest, what are the dimensions of your space for growing salad and how much do you get?

I' m thinking of doing the same.

Thanks
I have about 25 sq metres plus containers which keeps us self suficient in salads - lettuces, cucumber, courgette, broad beans and french beans all summer. It also produces enough tomatoes, aubergine, peppers shallots and herbs to make enough pasta sauce to see us through the winter which we freeze in bags and take out as needed. I also get a good yield of carrots, parsnips, brussel sprouts & cabbage. The secret to getting enough yield is not just the size of plot, but cramming as much as you can into the available space and sowing for succession every week in pots so everytime you take say a couple of lettuces out, you have a fairly substantial younger plant ready to put in it’s place to grow on. If you don’t do this you will have space lying idle and that will drastically reduce your yield. Likewise you should plant your beans at intervals so they don’t all crop at the same time. To boost my yield I grow all of my herbs in containers and some of my french beans in large pots, some of my carrots/parsnips in small tubs and some of my tomatoes in grow bags. I don’t bother with strawberries because the yield per plant is small and you need a lot of plants to get a reasonable yield. I also don’t bother with potatoes but my dad used to grow his in plastic tubs. Something of this order of magnitude takes about 2 to 3 hours a week to maintain. If all you want to do is keep self sufficient in salad leaves through the summer you can do it with a lot less space.
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Yep that is a valid point. In the states you can buy an apple that looks perfect and will probably keep for 3 months. If you pay more and buy organic, it may not last that long.... Most items sold here are already organic. For instance with meats they have to put a sticker on it if it contains growth hormones (ever buy a US steak here?).
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you don't need to wait one single day... if you look well among the many green salads in the fridge at Migros or Coop, you can be absolutely sure that you will find at least one or two that are already moulding on the shelves....
That happens alot in the US also. Once they are picked they really don't last long. Isn't that normal??
Sounds like everything must be better in the UK...except the humor of course...... kidding of course...please don't attack
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That happens alot in the US also. Once they are picked they really don't last long. Isn't that normal??
Sounds like everything must be better in the UK...except the humor of course...... kidding of course...please don't attack
I dont think anyone has said that veggies in the UK are better, its accepted that they last longer because of the preservatives etc used in the growing and pre-sales process but nobody said that the UK fresh-food is tastier. I did say and its mostly agreed on this thread that Swiss SUPERMARKET fresh-food however is inferior in quality and doesn't last much beyond the checkout to almost any other countries super markets. I tend to like the austro-german-italian products far more than either the UK or CH.
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You can buy US T-Bones in Solothurn
The Canton? The city? price per kg (lb)? Any more detail?
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I have about 25 sq metres plus containers which keeps us self suficient in salads - lettuces, cucumber, courgette, broad beans and french beans all summer. It also produces enough tomatoes, aubergine, peppers shallots and herbs to make enough pasta sauce to see us through the winter which we freeze in bags and take out as needed. I also get a good yield of carrots, parsnips, brussel sprouts & cabbage. The secret to getting enough yield is not just the size of plot, but cramming as much as you can into the available space and sowing for succession every week in pots so everytime you take say a couple of lettuces out, you have a fairly substantial younger plant ready to put in it’s place to grow on. If you don’t do this you will have space lying idle and that will drastically reduce your yield. Likewise you should plant your beans at intervals so they don’t all crop at the same time. To boost my yield I grow all of my herbs in containers and some of my french beans in large pots, some of my carrots/parsnips in small tubs and some of my tomatoes in grow bags. I don’t bother with strawberries because the yield per plant is small and you need a lot of plants to get a reasonable yield. I also don’t bother with potatoes but my dad used to grow his in plastic tubs. Something of this order of magnitude takes about 2 to 3 hours a week to maintain. If all you want to do is keep self sufficient in salad leaves through the summer you can do it with a lot less space.
Nev, thanks for the very informative and useful post.
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Rabbit meat is not widely available in England, neither is Horse meat. Culturally the Brits ride Horses rather than eat them and Rabbit has not been popular since the 50's. I'd be interested to know in which Tesco you found the cheese selection to be poor.

I consider myself to take a pretty objective view when comparing UK and Swiss supermarkets, Tesco does come out on top though when you consider your buying power in Tesco compared to Co-Op or Migros.
of course I'm aware of that. But I had the impression we were talking about choice here and in a supermarket choice is about being able to find a broader variety including unusual products rather than all the same just with different labels.
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