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Old 18.01.2015, 18:12
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Neighbors and garage fircode violations

Well, I figured it was only a matter of time before it happened as I have heard and read all the stories. I live in a complex with 6 units. My unit takes up the top two floors. I have two parking spaces in an underground garage. I had a wardrode that I put car suff in and my coat. I was informed by my landlord that a complaint had been made. The wardrobe had to be removed as it was a fire hazard. I politely pointed out the cord of fireword in one of my neighbors parking spaces, and the vanished vintage wooden row boat in my other neighbor parking spaces, as well as the stack of cardboard in one of the 3rd neighbbor parrking spaces. I will assume that fire code hazards, noise levels , and other rules only apply to me as my wife and are I American. My wife and I have busy lives ,I have no tolerance for this type of foolishness, I have dealt with people like this before you give them an inch and they will take a mile. I made the changes requested of me and now informed the landlord that the rest of the building will have to comply with the firecodes, noise levels, and other rules and regulations. Which bring me to my point: what are the rules and regualtions in Oberriden regarding a communal garage? Am I in the wrong pushing back? I fear this is just the beginning and I am going to go look for a house with no nearby neighbors in Zug. I assume other folks haave had this experience as well. I don't mnd rocking the boat on this one
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Re: Neighbors and garage fircode violations

Firewood is definitely a non starter.
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The wardrobe had to be removed as it was a fire hazard.
Next time, install one made out of metal.

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Re: Neighbors and garage fircode violations

It is not ridiculous at all to have a wardrobe on your parking place.

I used to have a queen side bed on our second parking place where i used to sleep sometimes after having a quarrel or being too drunk to enter the house.
Needless to say that some neighbours complained.
Do these people have nothing better to do?
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Re: Neighbors and garage fircode violations

Depends on the Gemeinde rules. But all the landlord has to do is to send the Gemeinde representative/s in charge of fire safety (who, if it is like here, is an elected politician or 2 with that brief) or someone from the state fire insurance (ECAP around here)- and they will send you a summons to tell you the cupboard has to go, and you won't be able to fight it, I'm afraid. If they allow you to have it and anything goes wrong, they would be up the creek without a paddle and responsible. However, same rules have to apply to other tenants, of course.
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Next time, install one made out of metal.

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Yeah, they can't say anything then. You can get big square metal cupboards/containers that fit to the garage wall.
Well, they need to be drilled when mounted. That doesn't sound right! ��
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Old 18.01.2015, 18:56
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Re: Neighbors and garage fircode violations

Crazy thought - what does your lease say? Ours says you can't store anything except your car and your spare tires in your parking space. Everything else needs to be in the cellar. They do tolerate leaving a bag of windshield washer fluid though.
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Firewood is definitely a non starter.
Who you kindling
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Re: Neighbors and garage fircode violations

There is fuel in your parked car, right? Now, that's a fire hazard!
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Old 18.01.2015, 20:05
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Re: Neighbors and garage fircode violations

It's a diesel
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Old 18.01.2015, 20:21
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Re: Neighbors and garage fircode violations

In Zürich it is usually someone from the fire brigade who does the inspection.
As mentioned, I have 2 metal cupboards in my 2 parking spaces; no problems.
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Old 18.01.2015, 20:22
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Crazy thought - what does your lease say? Ours says you can't store anything except your car and your spare tires in your parking space. Everything else needs to be in the cellar. They do tolerate leaving a bag of windshield washer fluid though.
3Wishes- the lease will be anyhow superseeded by Gemeinde and Kantonal fire regs. They have the last say, and there is no arguing with them. Same for house owners as for tenants.

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Old 18.01.2015, 20:28
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Re: Neighbors and garage fircode violations

At our fire department inspection, a neighbour in our communal garage was told told that everything had to be stored in metal cupboards.

Nothing to do with landlords - we don't have one.
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Re: Neighbors and garage fircode violations

As others have said rules are rules and how they are applied here does vary from person to person unfortunately. I wanted to rent some underground garage space to store wood and unless I installed fireproof wall this was forbidden by the fire Police, anything wood in a garage is generally a no, no.I do have about 10 steel storage cupboards for sale, size 2 x 1 x 0.5m for sale if you are interested, I have been meaning to post an add for them here.
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There is fuel in your parked car, right? Now, that's a fire hazard!
Yes it is a hazard, which is why there are building regulations, and codes of practice. Cars with natural gas as a fuel are not even allowed inside Swiss underground garages. Fireproof doors must not to be kept wedged open.

A few years ago several firemen were killed when they were inside a burning garage and the roof collapsed on top of them, so the fire inspectors are a little careful now.

I hope the OP's neighbors have moved the boat and the firewood, maybe a phone call to the local fire department next month would be useful ....
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Re: Neighbors and garage fircode violations

The reason why you cannot have anything easily flammable in the garage - which includes wooden cupboards and textiles (such as coats) - is for security reasons. YOUR security, YOUR life, the survival of YOUR goods and those that live in the same building as yourself.

There are very clear and well written rules concerning fire safety in Switzerland. These are valid ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. Each Canton might then have extra rules which complement these ones - though they do not negate them. These rules look silly and exaggerated, but only until disaster occurs and people start screaming "why did this happen???".

You can see them here:

Brandschutzvorschriften

Your neighbors were in the right to complain to the landlord about your cupboard - it's endangering the lives of everyone. The correct course of action is to remove the cupboard or substitute it for a metal one - but please do not store textiles inside. Again, this is in your interest, not because someone is being a big meanie to you (yes, it's true, they could also be big meanies, but in this they actually have a point).

It is understandable you were not aware of the rules - there are a lot of them and sometimes they are a bit tricky, even for planners. But they exist to save lives. Now that you are aware of the rules and noticed that some of your neighbors are also not according to the rules, you can also point it out to the landlord. Not as a passive-aggressive lash back, but because, again, someone is endangering others and people might not be aware of what they are doing.

I know it's easy to take it all as an offensive cry against the outsider, but sometimes there are more important reasons to receive such a request from the landlord.

But in this kind of situation, please, do not go "Why should I do it, if my neighbors don't do it either" and take the "Thank you for informing me. Could you also take a look at these non-conforming piles over there?". It's about lives, not about political views.
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...the vanished vintage wooden row boat in my other neighbor parking spaces...
Could it possibly have been recognized as fire hazard as well? Apparently you didn't ask.

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Generally speaking, no. Just do make sure you actually have reason to. It's easy to externalize, but often there's no reason to, and you don't come across as if you checked already.
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Re: Neighbors and garage fircode violations

Maybe it's only me but reading some replies suggest that respondents did not read that the cupboard was already removed....
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Re: Neighbors and garage fircode violations

Possibly the boat was varnished, and not vanished
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Re: Neighbors and garage fircode violations

Perhaps it was a fircoat violation? Take the coat out of the cupboard and all would have been well.
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