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It can take too long. I arrange a lot of meal events here and, before I came here, in Germany when I lived there. With small groups (say under 10) then it's easy for people to pay roughly what they think they owe, add it up and juggle around until the entire bill is covered. You then present that as one to the waiter/ess. However, when I've had close to 40 people, this takes forever. Plus a sea of credit cards pop out. Are you suggesting you take the credit cards yourself (you're so gobsmacked after all) and cover the cash? Or do you hand over a large amount of cards at the same time as the cash? And if you do that, is the same amount going on each card?

I've never had a problem or even anything close to a grumpy look for asking the staff to go around each person while they say what they had, and pay. As Germany and Switzerland work in a similar way with tips (ie you just round up) they get a shit load more with everyone giving a frank or two than just taking one bill.
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People without cash shouldn't be allowed to eat in groups.

Another simple way for longer term groups is for one person to pay it all and then rotate (kinda like a long term 'rounds' system).
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Re: Restaurants insisting you pay the bill as a group...

I think it's rude to present more than one transaction to the restaurant (unless you get the okay beforehand). Do whatever settling up you need to do within the group, but present them with a single transaction.

Anyway, I heard that in Switzerland the person inviting others to a meal is supposed to pay for the whole thing?

Did get saved once by a sushi place in Whistler that opened a tab per person without being asked. Our assumption (as always) was that we'd evenly split it. The guy next to me was caning it, and his unexpectedly individual bill came to over triple mine.
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Old 25.01.2015, 20:04
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Re: Restaurants insisting you pay the bill as a group...

At posher places, I prefer to split the bill by number of people present - I tend to dine with people who can be trusted to chip in a little extra if they have a more expensive option from the menu. At the Harmonie in Basel the other night, the waitress happily went around each diner in the group and totted up a separate bill.

FWIW, Richdog, Congrats on having enough mates to be able to go dining in a group.

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Old 25.01.2015, 20:30
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I think it's rude to present more than one transaction to the restaurant (unless you get the okay beforehand). Do whatever settling up you need to do within the group, but present them with a single transaction.
...rude? To pay for your meal? That's an... "interesting" way of looking at it. I'd say it was very special, in fact. Special and interesting. Spinnnnterrresting.

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I think it's rude to present more than one transaction to the restaurant (unless you get the okay beforehand). Do whatever settling up you need to do within the group, but present them with a single transaction.
What? I think it is rude for the restaurant to not accommodate your customers who bring you their hard earn money and allows you to make a living.

I am going to eat there and pay a good amount of money and I should also bend over to make their life easier?
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Old 25.01.2015, 20:33
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I am going to eat there and pay a good amount of money and I should also bend over to make their life easier?
Yes Nil, you should indeed
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Old 25.01.2015, 20:36
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Yes Nil, you should indeed
I ain't gonna bend over. Naughty boy.
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Old 25.01.2015, 20:55
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I have never ever in my life seen or heard of anyone having to pay up halfway through their meal because a waitress was finishing a shift...
It's happened to me exactly twice in my time in CH. Both times, we were on the later end of the lunch crowd. The server that was leaving came to the table with the one taking over. Both were very apologetic, but explained the first one had done the early morning and lunch shifts and would be leaving. The second was more than happy to assist with any further wishes.

It didn't shock me or upset me, as this happens to me often in the U.S. The restaurants there set up really bizarre and inconsistent schedules for servers. Plus they do a lot of team serving, so while your bill might say Joe was your server, 5 other people brought food and/or drinks during the course of the visit.
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I'm gobsmacked with this thread, I really am.

Is it really beyond most people's ability to work out what they've had and pay accordingly.

I have never had a problem with a combined bill at all. If a bunch of us go for pizza and a beer or two then it's a straight split, plus a couple of francs each tip. If it's something with more price diversity then everybody works out what they've had and puts in the required amount and then round up for the tip.

This is how adults work.
exactly my thoughts. if someone is not a good enough friend for me to be willing to take the risk of paying a little extra simply by virtue of splitting the bill down the middle, then they are not a good enough friend for me to want to spend an evening eating dinner with.
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exactly my thoughts. if someone is not a good enough friend for me to be willing to take the risk of paying a little extra simply by virtue of splitting the bill down the middle, then they are not a good enough friend for me to want to spend an evening eating dinner with.
You appear to be as confused as Slaphead is.
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Old 25.01.2015, 21:53
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Re: Restaurants insisting you pay the bill as a group...

So we've established that the OP is merely asserting his Yorkshireness in the face of what everybody else considers to be completely normal behaviour, that is, splitting the bill equally and keeping it simple, yes?

Good. Now I can go back to abusing my "mod" powers.

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Old 25.01.2015, 22:00
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So we've established that the OP is merely asserting his Yorkshireness in the face of what everybody else considers to be completely normal behaviour, that is, splitting the bill equally and keeping it simple, yes?
I presume you are purposefully appearing dense for comic effect, because I can't think of another reason why you would mention splitting the bill equally.
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I presume you are purposefully appearing dense for comic effect, because I can't think of another reason why you would mention splitting the bill equally.
It's what normal people do, and means that one avoids the risible situation described in your initial post.

Individual bills, indeed! For Scots and Yorkshire folk, maybe, but not for the rest of humanity.
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Old 25.01.2015, 22:07
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exactly my thoughts. if someone is not a good enough friend for me to be willing to take the risk of paying a little extra simply by virtue of splitting the bill down the middle, then they are not a good enough friend for me to want to spend an evening eating dinner with.
Well yes, but a bit of sensitivity does not hurt. We have friends from VERY different backgrounds- some are much, much better off than we are- and who take care not to run up huge bills they they can well afford, but might make us uncomfortable. And we do have friends who are financially 'challenged', for all sorts of reasons, and we would also be very careful to not order starters or puds, of wine, especially expensive ones- if we are sharing the bill - unless they choose to do so themselves first.
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It's what normal people do, and means that one avoids the risible situation described in your initial post.

Individual bills, indeed! For Scots and Yorkshire folk, maybe, but not for the rest of humanity.
Hey. Don't tar all Yorkshire folk with the same brush, some of us are happy to split the bill as long as nobody has taken the piss and ordered really expensive stuff.
I also don't see a problem with each paying their share and handing the whole lot to the waitress myself. I always try to make sure that I have small notes and coins when going out in a group to make it easier when paying my share.
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Re: Restaurants insisting you pay the bill as a group...

It used to crack me up in Greece where everyone would throw a couple of thousand dracs into the middle of the table and nobody would accept any change, meaning that sometimes the waiter would end up with a tip greater than the actual cost of the meal.

Now, that's proper bill splitting!
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Old 25.01.2015, 22:14
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It's what normal people do, and means that one avoids the risible situation described in your initial post.

Individual bills, indeed! For Scots and Yorkshire folk, maybe, but not for the rest of humanity.
Wow DB, you really are slacking lately if you think that not having individual bills is my actual complaint. Read the thread, and the underlined bit in my opening post. The point is that some restaurants will not allow people to pay individually to the waiter or waitress from the single itemized bill. And once again, for those like yourself who appear to be running on fumes today, the bill cannot always be equally split if there are people not eating and drinking much vs those people chugging things down like there is no tomorrow, as it can lead to a 50% or more increase in their actual meal costs, which is grossly unfair. The bigger the group (ie: more than the two people in total you may be commonly used to), the more likely that is to happen.
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Only a sadsack asks to pay individually.

Is that clear enough for you?
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It used to crack me up in Greece where everyone would throw a couple of thousand dracs into the middle of the table and nobody would accept any change, meaning that sometimes the waiter would end up with a tip greater than the actual cost of the meal.

Now, that's proper bill splitting!
They used the same trick in the eurozone leading to the results of today's elections.
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Old 25.01.2015, 22:34
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Only a sadsack asks to pay individually.

Is that clear enough for you?
Yes, clear bullshit if ever I read it.

As for the "sadsack" comment...
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