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Re: Restaurants insisting you pay the bill as a group...

TBH I'm struggling to think of a place I dined at where they were in any way difficult about doing "getrennt" bills. Maybe the staff just take an instant dislike to the OP.

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Well yes, but a bit of sensitivity does not hurt. We have friends from VERY different backgrounds- some are much, much better off than we are- and who take care not to run up huge bills they they can well afford, but might make us uncomfortable. And we do have friends who are financially 'challenged', for all sorts of reasons, and we would also be very careful to not order starters or puds, of wine, especially expensive ones- if we are sharing the bill - unless they choose to do so themselves first.
I am simple folk, and don't have particularly fancy friends.

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Old 26.01.2015, 09:01
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TBH I'm struggling to think of a place I dined at where they were in any way difficult about doing "getrennt" bills. Maybe the staff just take an instant dislike to the OP.

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Re: Restaurants insisting you pay the bill as a group...

I had a "wonderful" experience a month ago, in the small italian restaurant within the Radisson Blu hotel, Basel.

We were a group of 7, some having appetizers, some not, most having drinks, but some not, most having the main course, some just a salad or a dessert etc.

1st of all the service was terribly slow (waiting for drinks for 25 minutes? c'mon; and the restaurant wasn't even full), but we endured.

When the time arrived to pay the bill, the waiter brought a single receipt.
We asked to pay separately, and he finally agreed with a lot of moaning.
Then, the most absurd thing (for me at least, I've never experienced that before perhaps it's common in CH?) happened - he brought 7 bills, with each entry on the list being same as on the "total" receipt, but with each price multiplied by 1/7

We all laughed and paid (basically split bill), but I keep the receipt to remind me of never going there again.
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Old 26.01.2015, 12:39
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Re: Restaurants insisting you pay the bill as a group...

Oh, the other thing I have done when eating in a large group is to give my order, and pay directly upon ordering. Then I can leave when I'm done, no waiting, no fuss.
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Old 26.01.2015, 13:45
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Oh, the other thing I have done when eating in a large group is to give my order, and pay directly upon ordering. Then I can leave when I'm done, no waiting, no fuss.
Possibly a step too far, unless you don't know the people you are eating with (ie: random expat event or whatever) and really are in a rush to leave.
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Possibly a step too far, unless you don't know the people you are eating with (ie: random expat event or whatever) and really are in a rush to leave.
Well, it actually happened to be a specific recurring event, where approx 20 or so people would join, different individuals every time, and there would always be more food and drinks on the bill than there were payers. Invariably someone would get stuck paying for this, so the organizers eventually just asked that the group implement a pay-as-you-go system to ensure everything was paid for and servers weren't accidentally mis-ringing items. For something like this, in a more casual restaurant, it works quite well.
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Old 26.01.2015, 14:07
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Well, it actually happened to be a specific recurring event, where approx 20 or so people would join, different individuals every time, and there would always be more food and drinks on the bill than there were payers. Invariably someone would get stuck paying for this, so the organizers eventually just asked that the group implement a pay-as-you-go system to ensure everything was paid for and servers weren't accidentally mis-ringing items. For something like this, in a more casual restaurant, it works quite well.
Ahh ok, in those circumstances where it's always new random people, and with the backing of the organizers and restaurant, then it makes sense.
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Re: Restaurants insisting you pay the bill as a group...

I woudl support any solution that leads to very guest being able to pay for what he/she has eaten (plus tip).

Sharing the bill equally just rubs me the wrong way.
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Old 26.01.2015, 14:47
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Re: Restaurants insisting you pay the bill as a group...

My experiences are pretty limited in this field.

The one is with extended family invited to a meal and the hosting person pays for everything irrespective - usually a Birthday or other anniversary type celebration.

The other is the casual eat-out/drinks sort - where I`ve had to become strict about paying for what O/H and I consume - because in the past I found that one person will magnanimously buy a round of drinks and then the next and so on.

So we have to sit and drink rounds until it becomes our turn to pay a round. By this time we`re both at fall-down stage, and not looking forward to a long staggering walk home!

Now - We pay our OWN drinks, and others can do what they like.

Same with eating out. Some order sea-foods etc, and some order a couple sausages. One delightful person drinks only Champagne(!), another Gin tonics, the rest drink beers. Splitting the bill is impossibly unfair (on us and the other sausage/beer folk).

So again - O/H and I pay for what we consume. I make sure the waitress knows we pay seperate to the others. Other half is Swiss and not as bold as me

What pissed me off mostly with the "rounds paying" is that one or two of our usual crowd will change their drinks to the expensive ones when someone else is paying.

Back to the OP`s question/suggestion - If the waitress is informed beforehand to seperate the bills, I don`t think that should cause any problems afterwards? One is entitled to sit with whomever one wants and not be expected to be presented with ONE bill for the entire table?
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Old 26.01.2015, 15:01
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Same with eating out. Some order sea-foods etc, and some order a couple sausages. One delightful person drinks only Champagne(!), another Gin tonics, the rest drink beers. Splitting the bill is impossibly unfair (on us and the other sausage/beer folk).
Yup I agree with your sentiments here completely. I find it amazing that some people are too pig-headed to see why splitting the bill is not always feasible if there is a large discrepancy in what people have ordered. It is simply unreasonable to expect someone to pay 20-50% more than their meal and drinks cost, simply for the sake of someone else's convenience of splitting the bill equally.

Only a selfish douchebag would see that as acceptable.
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Old 26.01.2015, 15:11
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Only a selfish douchebag would see that as acceptable.
Like my brother in law who always ordered the most expensive thing on the menu when we went out with them. We split the bill the first couple of times to give him the benefit if the doubt but when he did the same thing the next time we insisted that we each paid for our own food and drink.
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Re: Restaurants insisting you pay the bill as a group...

In a "normal" Swiss restaurant I could understand a waiter not splitting the bill - especially if the group is quite large, people had a mix of mains, starters, desserts, drinks etc AND the restaurant is relatively busy.

There is always going to be a couple who pay by card, those who forget the "table" ordered water, confusion of who had wine and how much.

If you're out with people who can't do basic maths then I would suggest looking for new friends
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Old 26.01.2015, 15:36
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In a "normal" Swiss restaurant I could understand a waiter not splitting the bill - especially if the group is quite large, people had a mix of mains, starters, desserts, drinks etc AND the restaurant is relatively busy.

There is always going to be a couple who pay by card, those who forget the "table" ordered water, confusion of who had wine and how much.

If you're out with people who can't do basic maths then I would suggest looking for new friends
This type of thing happened in South Africa when I was a member of a group of bike riders who went out on Sunday mornings for brunch - a "Breakfast Run".

After the first time when the "leader" guy split the bill evenly and we all had to put in our amount - it was worked out afterwards by how much he`d ingratiated himself into the establishment (he frequented with his family) by the size of "extra cash" he`d perloined out of us!

After that experience we split ourselves into groups at other tables that could manage our own ordering/paying in a more orderly manner.

That left him marooned with his couple cronies and whatever they wanted to do about their own bill paying.

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Etiquette here with table sharing, (at a semi formal meal) I`ve found, is even with seperate food bills, when wine is ordered, it`s shared, and then someone else orders the next bottle, and each has "their" wine added to their own cost.
Someone wanting their Gin and Tonics/glass of Sect orders their own and stays away from the communal wine bottle. Same with the beer drinkers.
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Old 26.01.2015, 15:42
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Like my brother in law who always ordered the most expensive thing on the menu when we went out with them. We split the bill the first couple of times to give him the benefit if the doubt but when he did the same thing the next time we insisted that we each paid for our own food and drink.
Heh, did his ordering habit then by any chance change to something a little less expensive?
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Heh, did his ordering habit then by any chance change to something a little less expensive?
Strangely enough it did. I can't think why.
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If you're out with people who can't do basic maths then I would suggest looking for new friends
I didn't realise basic maths was a requirement for being someone's friend? I know a couple of people who are awful at mental arithmetic... lovely and reliable people otherwise though.
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I didn't realise basic maths was a requirement for being someone's friend? I know a couple of people who are awful at mental arithmetic... lovely and reliable people otherwise though.
My experience is that those who can't tend to those who order the most expensive thing, drink most of the wine and order water like it is going out of fashion - and then befuddled by the bill declare it should be split equally.

Having checked Debretts I have now established that "F&$( off" is considered an impolite response to such a suggestion
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My experience is that those who can't tend to those who order the most expensive thing, drink most of the wine and order water like it is going out of fashion - and then befuddled by the bill declare it should be split equally.

Having checked Debretts I have now established that "F&$( off" is considered an impolite response to such a suggestion
Indeed..... Fork-off is much more acceptable in polite society like what I frequent!...Gottit?
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My experience is that those who can't tend to those who order the most expensive thing, drink most of the wine and order water like it is going out of fashion - and then befuddled by the bill declare it should be split equally.

Having checked Debretts I have now established that "F&$( off" is considered an impolite response to such a suggestion
Luckily, I don't know anyone that would purposefully order too much or the most expensive stuff in order to profit from a bill, so that's really not an issue in my eyes. The only issue with bill splitting I have, like I said, is for light eaters or non-drinkers, as then it will never be fair either way.
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