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Old 05.02.2015, 00:06
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Indeed.

It's like on the web pages that state that it's for informational purposes only.

The local (or other Swiss) language counts, English has no legal standing here.

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Oh get real Tom...if that is truly the case wouldn't you think Switzerland should stop pimping their country out to all the multinational corporations who only use English as their main language?

This OP had every right to protect herself using the language she was able to communicate in. She did the right thing by calling the police for back up and confirmation. All police are trained to deal with numerous language and cultural differences.

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Oh get real Tom...if that is truly the case wouldn't you think Switzerland should stop pimping their country out all to the multinational corporations who only use English as their main language?

This OP had every right to protect herself using the language she was able to communicate in. She did the right thing by calling the police for back up and confirmation. All police are trained to deal with numerous language and cultural differences.
Quite why the OP said anything at all under caution beats me.
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Old 05.02.2015, 00:14
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Re: Unjustified police intervention and pressed charges

It's not clear to me what the OP has been charged with? Or as you said why she went (without council) under caution but that's separate from those who think she's easy target over English/German language issues.
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Old 05.02.2015, 00:21
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It's not clear to me what the OP has been charged with?
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... the charge was that I prevented this crime police perform their duties.
Maybe something along the lines of obstruction of justice? Whatever the equivalent here is, would be my guess.
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It's not clear to me what the OP has been charged with? Or as you said why she went (without council) under caution but that's separate from those who think she's easy target over English/German language issues.
The charge was read out to me out loud but I didn't take a note of it exactly because I was completely taken by surprise, when he announced it to me. It referred to me preventing the criminal police from undertaking their duties. I will obtain the exact details of this charge tomorrow and will get back to you.
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Old 05.02.2015, 00:38
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The charge was read out to me out loud but I didn't take a note of it exactly because I was completely taken by surprise, when he announced it to me. It referred to me preventing the criminal police from undertaking their duties. I will obtain the exact details of this charge tomorrow and will get back to you.
Wow...that seems really harsh under the circumstances you described. I'd definitely get a lawyer if I were you.
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Re: Unjustified police intervention and pressed charges

Here is an advice centre, including legal advice, for immigrants in Zurich:
https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/sd/de/i...a/english.html
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Wow...that seems really harsh under the circumstances you described. I'd definitely get a lawyer if I were you.
It's a bit late for that, the OP has made a statement 'explaining their crime / guilt', once you talk the police, they can work out what to charge you for depending on what they get you to say. It's their job & what they do every day.
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Good suggestion but I'm not so sure the social services legal department in Zurich will be much help under these circumstances? It appears that she is dealing with charges related to the criminal code which would require a lawyer versed in Swiss criminal law.

So much for airbnb! Now I'll definitely think twice before booking through them after reading this post.
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Re: Unjustified police intervention and pressed charges

Thank you everyone for posting your replies. I have heard a few wise voices which helped me to decide what to do next and I heard a few unhelpful ones, accusing me of asking for trouble because of limited language skills.

A few of my Swiss friends told me that my case was clearly escalated by the police officer. Language was no barrier, communication in English was flawless when the police came finally inside the apartment. During the interrogation he wrote down a statement in German because, of course, the legal system is based on German language, no problem here. The translation service worked well, no complaints there either.

My worry is the consequence of this case. I came here to enrich my professional life, to go and work in research, to study, to work on exciting projects and build up on my career, to settle down finally, in summary I came here to stay. I willingly left my scientific job in the UK just to come here. My worry is that this case was unlawfully escalated, putting gross pressure on me, my details are now in a police database. I fear how this will reverberate on me in the future.

In light of the fact that the person who they originally searched for is not a serious offender - as the police told me, I have no grounds to worry. There was no warrant so now I can only suspect why this policeman pursued his action against me:
1. My nationality or
2. His attempt to save his face, after all, another police patrol arrived and someone has to explain what happened, putting blame on me is easy.

I will probably never find out and it’s not important. What is important is that this case can hurt my future.
It makes me question the police, why they make enemies out of people who are not?
I will follow each helpful hint received from you and I appreciate your time.
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Old 05.02.2015, 01:13
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Thank you everyone for posting your replies. I have heard a few wise voices which helped me to decide what to do next and I heard a few unhelpful ones, accusing me of asking for trouble because of limited language skills.

A few of my Swiss friends told me that my case was clearly escalated by the police officer. Language was no barrier, communication in English was flawless when the police came finally inside the apartment. During the interrogation he wrote down a statement in German because, of course, the legal system is based on German language, no problem here. The translation service worked well, no complaints there either.

My worry is the consequence of this case. I came here to enrich my professional life, to go and work in research, to study, to work on exciting projects and build up on my career, to settle down finally, in summary I came here to stay. I willingly left my scientific job in the UK just to come here. My worry is that this case was unlawfully escalated, putting gross pressure on me, my details are now in a police database. I fear how this will reverberate on me in the future.

In light of the fact that the person who they originally searched for is not a serious offender - as the police told me, I have no grounds to worry. There was no warrant so now I can only suspect why this policeman pursued his action against me:
1. My nationality or
2. His attempt to save his face, after all, another police patrol arrived and someone has to explain what happened, putting blame on me is easy.

I will probably never find out and it’s not important. What is important is that this case can hurt my future.
It makes me question the police, why they make enemies out of people who are not?
I will follow each helpful hint received from you and I appreciate your time.
Danke

Even if found guilty your unlikely to receive a criminal record in CH, Its for fines above 5,000, so it's unlikely to be a major issue.
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It's a bit late for that, the OP has made a statement 'explaining their crime / guilt', once you talk the police, they can work out what to charge you for depending on what they get you to say. It's their job & what they do every day.
She did nothing wrong, the police did, she made a statement that clears her of any so called guilt... Bloody God,,, people!!
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Not everyone purporting to be a policeman is one..

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Securitas_depot_robbery


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I had them once at midnight when they came to tell me my ex husband had died. They looked scary but were the nicest people ever.

They even ignored the fact that my boyfriend's bag of marijuana was sitting on the coffee table.

If you have nothing to hide - why not just open the door. They are just doing their job.

Another time they came looking for a guy who we had put up for a few days, he was on an Interpol search. We hadn't seen or heard from him in a couple of years. They were very courteous and polite.

I gave up shaking in my shoes whenever i see a policeman years ago.
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Re: Unjustified police intervention and pressed charges

Actually seems to me that she doesn't know what she did wrong; stuff like that happens.
If I were OP I would do 2 things: 1. learn the basic stuff in language (I know, I repeat myself; but she stated before that she doesn't give importance to it as it's only "social", which again is a proof of total ignorance imho),


2. contact a lawyer.


It couldn't be linked somehow to the airbednb thing, could it?


In my understanding airbednb is legal in CH only if all a bunch of requirements are observed, which only randomly is the case. I.e. most of them are illegal.
But if I got it right, it's the landlord (or if rentend, the tenant of the contract) to respond to the court, not the client.


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Not everyone purporting to be a policeman is one..

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Securitas_depot_robbery
... which doesn't prevent you from having to follow Police orders.
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learn the basic stuff in language (I know, I repeat myself; but she stated before that she doesn't give importance to it as it's only "social", which again is a proof of total ignorance imho)
http://youtu.be/b97zJxKEqAk
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Re: Unjustified police intervention and pressed charges

I'm risking a groan here I know, but am I the only one who wouldn't open the door so quick for 2 aggressive police out of the blue late even IF they had on a uniform?

If they are aggressive and wanting inside when there is no known reason why, isn't that just odd enough uniform or not?

Also wouldn't it be Sprechen Sie Engels? Isn't sprichst du English not only wrong but impolite?
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Re: Unjustified police intervention and pressed charges

Joga-trn, really sorry you've had a rather rude introduction to Switzerland and its culture... I personally also wouldn't have opened the door if two scruffy oinks had simply started banging on my front door like that, even if they were claiming to be policemen.

Assuming that you're here with a work contract rather than free-lancing; have you considered speaking to your HR contact? Accommodation, welfare, etc. is normally part of their brief and clearly you do have a problem which might have repercussions in the future if it's not sorted now.
Signing anything in a language you don't understand is not a good idea; even if you think that the translation service worked well it's clear that english isn't your maternal language, nor that of the translator, and certain nuances could have been missed.

It's also odd that you weren't given a clearer explanation of what you're apparently being charged with; even if your presumed ignorance of the law is in itself not an excuse, the law would want to avoid looking like a complete twit if this ever came to court.
I rather doubt that, as this reads as if the policeman pressing charges is just mega cheesed-off at the moment and is trying to make a point, but even so I'd get some legal advice from somewhere.
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I'm risking a groan here I know, but am I the only one who wouldn't open the door so quick for 2 aggressive police out of the blue late even IF they had on a uniform?

If they are aggressive and wanting inside when there is no known reason why, isn't that just odd enough uniform or not?
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If somebody is knocking aggressively on my door,

I'm sure they are no robbers (they would work professionally, i.e. without noise, when nobody's at home).

What I would think is that either somebody is in a big need (i.e. cries for help so it's a duty to assist),
or that my family or my friends or myself are in danger, the roof is on fire or the garage downstairs burning or something. Maybe my car parked on an emergency entrance, no idea; anyway something like that.


From what crappy countries do people come, that they always assume the 'worst' i.e. aggression towards themselves? Might not be the real worst, this one ...


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Also wouldn't it be Sprechen Sie Engels? Isn't sprichst du English not only wrong but impolite?
Let go, never mind. OP does not appreciate.
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Two aggressive guys come to my door and tell me they are the police without uniform, I ain't going to open that door.

Last year, most cantonal policemen including the sûreté officers in Geneva went on uniform strike after negotiations over pay raise stalled. The strike lasted 2 months (June, July). A woman once called the police after spotting two armed men in a shopping mall, not knowing they were cops
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Apart that I have no understanding for those people (even if I go on a holiday somewhere I learn at least a bit of the respective language and don't expect others to cope with my small-minded standards, adopting to my
I call BS on your statement here. You would really feel competent to talk to police in any language and country the world over, as a tourist? What a joke. Do you expect tourists to CH to learn enough of each of the four official languages to be conversational, before touring the country? I ask you, are you conversational in these four languages, even as a resident ? Furthermore, they likely began speaking to the Op in Swiss German, which has countless dialects and no rules. Should she have learned each dialect in the week that she's been here? You are the one who is being small minded.

Zimbabwe has 16 official languages. Good luck preparing for that holiday...

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