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Old 05.02.2015, 17:38
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Re: Bmw oil change for chf1,000 ?! - advice please

depends how long intend to keep the car for I guess given my nice brand new mini didn't manage to keep its engine for 2 years I recon they don't build things to last much past there warranty period.
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Re: Bmw oil change for chf1,000 ?! - advice please

I don't know how it is now, but 15 years ago when they started doing this where I was livied, it was a fast but not very effective method.
Problem is taht oil has high viscosity and they were never able to suck all of it. And as they start from the top, the portion that stays in the machine is the bottom one, one that have most particles from past use.
Maybe now the system is better or maybe the car parts (Ölwanne? sorry I don't know the English or German word for this) are better shaped for this. It shouldn't be a problem.
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Old 05.02.2015, 17:53
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Re: Bmw oil change for chf1,000 ?! - advice please

As the discussion is now closing on the amusing topic of "suck versus drain" ... on old cars I have performed many an oil change and the only "gunk" at the "bottom" of even very neglected sumps (i.e. when just "topping up" for about 3 years on something that burned a litre of oil every 500kms at high speeds) are tiny metal filings that stick to the drain plug which is magnetized for that purpose.

Having said that, if you are getting any noticeable amount of iron filings at the bottom or any are longer than 1mm, then there is some very bad action going on in there, and your engine is probably very worn and getting exponentially more so.
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Re: Bmw oil change for chf1,000 ?! - advice please

Seems a bit steep to me for just Oil, I hope that they at least gave the car a good wash (when I take mine they always come back spotless).

For the costs, it is usually a good idea to have a word before they get started, agree a ball park and tell them to call if they plan on going over.

This is because I have noticed, first at Mercedes and later at BMW that they tend to hand you back your car (spotless), let you drive off, and then post you the bill the next day so you can sit down when you open it. They even did this when I had foreign plates for a while. I could not believe this system worked in this country, expecially with the sums involved.

In my case, BMW Switzerland honored the free service up to 100k for a 2 year car imported from abroad.
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Re: Bmw oil change for chf1,000 ?! - advice please

If you want ALL the rubbish out of the oil/system - there is only one solution. Flush, flush, flush. We do this on generator bearings (ca. 500mm diameter) with thousands of litres of oil. Heat the oil, and flush at high volume, high velocity, constantly, 24h per day. Switch off once a day, inspect the inspection cloth that's inserted into a flange, replace that and the filters and continue.

Just a few small metal particles within the bearing oil can result in massively expensive damage.

The last time we did this procedure, it took a week before the oil was clean of particles (verified finally by an LCM 20 laser particle counter)

I imagine you could do it with a car - change oil when hot and the filter. Red-line it up and down the motorway for 30 min or so, replace filter, rag it again, replace filter and repeat, top up, if req. (but not for a week, I guess..)
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Re: Bmw oil change for chf1,000 ?! - advice please

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....... STOP PRESS .......

...... Expensive cars are expensive to run ......





[why the surprise?]
News at 11:
Even cheap cars are expensive to service, once they get older (and you go to an official dealer)...
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depends how long intend to keep the car for I guess given my nice brand new mini didn't manage to keep its engine for 2 years I recon they don't build things to last much past there warranty period.
Actually, the sheer mechanical precision with which motors are manufactured has increased vastly over the last decades.
You used to have to slowly "burn in" car-engines for 5 or even 10k kms.
Not any more. 500 at max, AFAIK.

Of course, as motors needed to get lighter and more power needed to get squeezed out of smaller motors, there are now probably other limiting factors coming to light.
Adding to that is the myriad of electronics that a modern motor-management simply can't work without (which is also required to maintain the low fuel-consumption).
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....... STOP PRESS .......

...... Expensive cars are expensive to run ......


[why the surprise?]

No Shit !
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Old 05.02.2015, 20:14
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Re: Bmw oil change for chf1,000 ?! - advice please

Most cars dont use 'run in' oil anymore. last time I saw it was on a Honda in 2007, for the first 800kms. Go over than and your engine is fcked. Hence these days its drive for 18000 km or more before first oil change.
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Old 05.02.2015, 21:26
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In my case, BMW Switzerland honored the free service up to 100k for a 2 year car imported from abroad.

That i find a little difficult to beleive as it is the importer who covers the free service, it's included in the initial sale price.

The warranty however is covered by the manufacturer with the work carried out by the importer.
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Re: Bmw oil change for chf1,000 ?! - advice please

I'm not getting into the technical discussion, as that is very definetely not my field.

I would like, however, to mention that I actually changed from my regular garage to Auto-Graf because I was extremely happy with their service. They have been extremely friendly, service has been impecable, done on time, properly priced. From my very positive experience, I would find it very strange that they would be trying to cheat you.
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From my very positive experience, I would find it very strange that they would be trying to cheat you.
Hi Helm

Glad you are happy with them. They are friendly and efficient. You seem happy with the price. Others have agreed that is standard-ish for BMW, but others still show clear savings opportunities by using an independent.

A >50% saving opportunity at a garage closer to home with no difference in outcome. But lets not be too rational. We are talking about cars - the ultimate emotional purchase.

BUT - At no point did I say they were cheating me, or otherwise question their honesty.

I am outraged at the high charges, and disappointing they did not call me to say "hey your Swiss BMW is not covered for FREE SERVICING after all due to a clause even we didn't even know about, so - FYI - it will be 1000 Mountain Dollars for Oelwechsel - still want to proceed?"

My original post also asks advice for where to get the kit of stuff needed for an oil change on an X5, but sucking oil through a straw through and dipstick-tube got everyone's attention diverted.
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Re: Bmw oil change for chf1,000 ?! - advice please

Go to owner's manual or here and check how many litres of what viscosity oil you need. It's probably 5w-30.

Then go here and get a nice synthetic one that is at least compliant with manufacturer specs (LL etc). Castrol has been the OEM oil for BMWs for years, so if you don't mind the ~10-12 CHF/lt price (you shouldn't, it's great) go for Castrol EDGE.
If there are special considerations/specs for your engine, your manual will recommend a very specific oil (it probably won't). Reifendirekt stocks BMW OEM oils that are suitable for all modern DPF equipped diesel engines at 7.50CHF/lt.

Then go on to Amazon, ebay, or whatever parts store you feel comfortable with and get an oil filter, engine air filter, diesel fuel filter, and pollen filter (that's for the cabin).

Get activated carbon for the pollen filter (much better) and you should spend something like 100-150 fr for all filters (max). There two outside the cabin and a third inside. The inside one is more of an option if the two in front are OK or changed frequently.
Add about 40-70Fr for oil depending on quantity/brand/type.


Take said parts, go to garage of your choice, pay them some money and change everything. If they spend more than 1-1.5 billable hour they're taking your for a ride.

Stamp and signature on service book.

Job done. Hopefully about the 300CHF mark all in.

Change Oil once a year even if the CBS (condition based service) indication in your on-board computer tells you you can do more Km on your existing oil, and every other oil change repeat the service you're about to do now.

Enjoy your car



Because we really f-ed up your thread attached is the Service Book for the E70 X5. NA version, but you probably can convert miles to Km and gallons/quarts to litres.



Edit:
The pic you attached says to change the diesel filter every third oil change, so maybe you can skip that bit. I guess CH has good quality diesel and is kinder to the filters.
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Because we really f-ed up your thread attached is the Service Book for the E70 X5. NA version, but you probably can convert miles to Km and gallons/quarts to litres.

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The pic you attached says to change the diesel filter every third oil change, so maybe you can skip that bit. I guess CH has good quality diesel and is kinder to the filters.
Thank you Don Mollina - very generous and magnanimous of you to go to that trouble. I will certainly use it as i have been looking for just this kind of thing myself.! Thanks for comprehensive tips and resources too.Have a good weekend.


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Phoa 900???....I will do my car at authorised garage in........................... POLAND
This is what I did last time and well like in Poland the service wasn't as good as in Switzerland but the price at the end returned disappointment to not have a coffee and the waiting lounge
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Take said parts, go to garage of your choice, pay them some money and change everything. If they spend more than 1-1.5 billable hour they're taking your for a ride.

Stamp and signature on service book.

Job done. Hopefully about the 300CHF mark all in.

The theory is excellent but it is unlikely the garage would survive business wise too long if they accepted to do this every time
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This is what I did last time and well like in Poland the service wasn't as good as in Switzerland but the price at the end returned disappointment to not have a coffee and the waiting lounge
Wll yes...I will regrettably forgive them the coffee Fortunately, service is very good in authorised Toyota garages in my City And labour cost is about 80-100 PLN an hour giving you 25 euro
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Wll yes...I will regrettably forgive them the coffee Fortunately, service is very good in authorised Toyota garages in my City And labour cost is about 80-100 PLN an hour giving you 25 euro
Similar to what salaries are and cost of living is in Poland I supose
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Re: Bmw oil change for chf1,000 ?! - advice please

Nobody in Switzerland needs an X5, or a Q7, or any other oversized 3tonne family truckster.

Consider it behemoth tax.
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Nobody in Switzerland needs an X5, or a Q7, or any other oversized 3tonne family truckster.

Consider it behemoth tax.
Couldn't agree more ....... and it always seems to be the wrong people driving them.

The next time I see more than the driver in one, will be a first.
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