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The cruel side of Sechselauten-Horse dies of heart attack !

Ok, I was always a fan of SechseLeuten, but NO MORE ! I have been reading about the death of one horse, the supposed death of an another and a 3rd horse and rider injured during these "festivities". Obviously, horses and most animals are terrified of fire, this year the Boog snowman had extra explosives in it due the retirement of the man who made them for years. So not only are horses forced to run on a hot day (in this years case), they have to endure exploding noises, sparks, etc. So to keep the horses from spooking they drug them up. One horse this year was showed his reluctance or exhaustion ( 20 minutes is a LONG time to have to ride in these very cruel circumstances!!) The poor 25 year old horse died of a heart attack after being forced by a hard hand to continue by it's rider! In front of all those "special" people !!!!!!! Another horse rider's saddle slipped casing the rider and horse to fall and both were injured. An antique wagon was being driven to the parade in Wollishofen too quickly and the drivers lost control, the wagon shoved into the horses pushing one onto a parked car. The photos are HORRIFIC ! Please join me by protesting to the Zurich Vetinaramt and the Tier Im Recht orginization that advocates for animal rights. Don't let these horses die in vain !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ok, I was always a fan of SechseLeuten, but NO MORE ! I have been reading about the death of one horse, the supposed death of an another and a 3rd horse and rider injured during these "festivities". Obviously, horses and most animals are terrified of fire, this year the Boog snowman had extra explosives in it due the retirement of the man who made them for years. So not only are horses forced to run on a hot day (in this years case), they have to endure exploding noises, sparks, etc. So to keep the horses from spooking they drug them up. One horse this year was showed his reluctance or exhaustion ( 20 minutes is a LONG time to have to ride in these very cruel circumstances!!) The poor 25 year old horse died of a heart attack after being forced by a hard hand to continue by it's rider! In front of all those "special" people !!!!!!! Another horse rider's saddle slipped casing the rider and horse to fall and both were injured. An antique wagon was being driven to the parade in Wollishofen too quickly and the drivers lost control, the wagon shoved into the horses pushing one onto a parked car. The photos are HORRIFIC ! Please join me by protesting to the Zurich Vetinaramt and the Tier Im Recht orginization that advocates for animal rights. Don't let these horses die in vain !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
20 minutes???

You can't get the horses these days
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Re: The cruel side of Sechselauten-Horse dies of heart attack !

Good job you didn't see the Grand National, then.

A fence had to be missed on the second time round, because someone was putting up a green tent on the course.
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Good job you didn't see the Grand National, then.

A fence had to be missed on the second time round, because someone was putting up a green tent on the course.
That is another tragic horse killing event.
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That is another tragic horse killing event.
Good that you didn't live 100 years ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horses_in_warfare
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...So to keep the horses from spooking they drug them up....
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Re: The cruel side of Sechselauten-Horse dies of heart attack !

Should have just chucked them on the bonfire and had a BBQ!

By the way, one of the things that my daughter (visiting from LA), who is missing Swiss food, asked for, and got, was grilled horse last week.

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Re: The cruel side of Sechselauten-Horse dies of heart attack !

It's a horse... it died doing it's job. I'm sure it had a good life and was looked after while it was alive. Such is life.
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Good that you didn't live 100 years ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horses_in_warfare
We 've come along way what ?
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Ok, I was always a fan of SechseLeuten, but NO MORE ! I have been reading about the death of one horse, the supposed death of an another and a 3rd horse and rider injured during these "festivities". Obviously, horses and most animals are terrified of fire, this year the Boog snowman had extra explosives in it due the retirement of the man who made them for years. So not only are horses forced to run on a hot day (in this years case), they have to endure exploding noises, sparks, etc. So to keep the horses from spooking they drug them up. One horse this year was showed his reluctance or exhaustion ( 20 minutes is a LONG time to have to ride in these very cruel circumstances!!) The poor 25 year old horse died of a heart attack after being forced by a hard hand to continue by it's rider! In front of all those "special" people !!!!!!! Another horse rider's saddle slipped casing the rider and horse to fall and both were injured. An antique wagon was being driven to the parade in Wollishofen too quickly and the drivers lost control, the wagon shoved into the horses pushing one onto a parked car. The photos are HORRIFIC ! Please join me by protesting to the Zurich Vetinaramt and the Tier Im Recht orginization that advocates for animal rights. Don't let these horses die in vain !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I couldn't find the photos, do you have a link please?
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Good job you didn't see the Grand National, then.

A fence had to be missed on the second time round, because someone was putting up a green tent on the course.
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That is another tragic horse killing event.
Balthazar King is at the equine hospital in Liverpool recovering from some broken ribs, but hopefully he'll be fine. No deaths for the 3rd year running in the National, though we did lose one due to an injury earlier in the week.

I know nothing about the Sechselauten event so can't comment on that, though I assume there may have been similar accidents in the past.

Evidently 8 people were injured too so perhaps it would be better to ban the fireworks than the horses.

http://www.thelocal.ch/20150414/eigh...-burning-event
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Re: The cruel side of Sechselauten-Horse dies of heart attack !

Poster has a good point, you don't have to agree, but defending an animal's agonizing death isn't going to win you any points in the caring for others category.

What happened in the past is hardly a viable excuse for maintaining traditions beyond what many would now consider to be barbaric. I for one don't believe that animals should be used as accessories for human entertainment whether that be in street parades, circuses or racing events. Many humans abuse their powers and amuse themselves with cruelty and barbarism. We've moved on from bear baiting and gladiating,, so I see no reason why we can't seek our thrills without harming our fellow inhabitants of planet Earth.
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Ok, I was always a fan of SechseLeuten, but NO MORE ! I have been reading about the death of one horse, the supposed death of an another and a 3rd horse and rider injured during these "festivities". Obviously, horses and most animals are terrified of fire, this year the Boog snowman had extra explosives in it due the retirement of the man who made them for years. So not only are horses forced to run on a hot day (in this years case), they have to endure exploding noises, sparks, etc. So to keep the horses from spooking they drug them up. One horse this year was showed his reluctance or exhaustion ( 20 minutes is a LONG time to have to ride in these very cruel circumstances!!) The poor 25 year old horse died of a heart attack after being forced by a hard hand to continue by it's rider! In front of all those "special" people !!!!!!! Another horse rider's saddle slipped casing the rider and horse to fall and both were injured. An antique wagon was being driven to the parade in Wollishofen too quickly and the drivers lost control, the wagon shoved into the horses pushing one onto a parked car. The photos are HORRIFIC ! Please join me by protesting to the Zurich Vetinaramt and the Tier Im Recht orginization that advocates for animal rights. Don't let these horses die in vain !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What made you change your mind? Is it the horses death? Or the unnecessary stress? Or the "barbaric and unnecessary" noise?

Basically everything you criticize has been in place during the years you were a fan, and presumably for decennials before. The one difference I see is the dead horse this year - at the age of 25 mind you, which is about retirement age for horses of this size.

Accidents happen, things go wrong, maybe people made mistakes (a slipping saddle points to a loose or broken strap, both probably the riders mistake). But how does that change an event from being joyful (you were a fan) to horrible in basically an instant? So much so that you even want it banned?
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Ok, I was always a fan of SechseLeuten, but NO MORE ! I have been reading about the death of one horse, the supposed death of an another and a 3rd horse and rider injured during these "festivities". Obviously, horses and most animals are terrified of fire, this year the Boog snowman had extra explosives in it due the retirement of the man who made them for years. So not only are horses forced to run on a hot day (in this years case), they have to endure exploding noises, sparks, etc. So to keep the horses from spooking they drug them up. One horse this year was showed his reluctance or exhaustion ( 20 minutes is a LONG time to have to ride in these very cruel circumstances!!) The poor 25 year old horse died of a heart attack after being forced by a hard hand to continue by it's rider! In front of all those "special" people !!!!!!! Another horse rider's saddle slipped casing the rider and horse to fall and both were injured. An antique wagon was being driven to the parade in Wollishofen too quickly and the drivers lost control, the wagon shoved into the horses pushing one onto a parked car. The photos are HORRIFIC ! Please join me by protesting to the Zurich Vetinaramt and the Tier Im Recht orginization that advocates for animal rights. Don't let these horses die in vain !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, but ONE horse ?! A heart attack happens to humans, to Dogs, to cats and to horses. And that Drivers do mistake is not new really.
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Well instead of the horses running around and being slaughtered at this festival they could build something like a merry go round-and the kids would love it
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Poster has a good point, you don't have to agree, but defending an animal's agonizing death isn't going to win you any points in the caring for others category.

What happened in the past is hardly a viable excuse for maintaining traditions beyond what many would now consider to be barbaric. I for one don't believe that animals should be used as accessories for human entertainment whether that be in street parades, circuses or racing events. Many humans abuse their powers and amuse themselves with cruelty and barbarism. We've moved on from bear baiting and gladiating,, so I see no reason why we can't seek our thrills without harming our fellow inhabitants of planet Earth.
I'm not saying it is Assassin, but I also don't see why it's unacceptable for us to watch animals "performing" for our entertainment when it's acceptable for them to "perform" doing such things as sniff out bombs, tackle criminals, etc, putting their lives at risk in place of a human one or even acting as a guide or assistance animal. Does the activity being "useful and helpful to humans" make it right while for "entertainment only" makes it wrong?

Everyone screams abuse about animals in circuses, yet it's fine for dog acts to appear (and win) on talent shows on TV. Double standards is what I call it. Especially when the dogs enjoy it so much.

And if you want to take it further then surely it's "wrong" for us to have pets of any kind because they're only there for our pleasure and yes, entertainment.

By all means see what can be done to make events safer for all, humans and animals, but don't have a knee jerk reaction and ban the whole thing.
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We've moved on from bear baiting and gladiating,, so I see no reason why we can't seek our thrills without harming our fellow inhabitants of planet Earth.
I can assume that instead of torturing the competitors** the roles have been reversed and it is now the spectators are tortured.

I can't find any other reason for "Britains got Talent" or "Not quite a Celebrity Ice Dancing Challenge".





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Re: The cruel side of Sechselauten-Horse dies of heart attack !

Yes, I m a horse owner so of course I m not too happy with what happened. Reading on the horse forums I am member of, I think the main issue is that the horse received tranquilizer which causes the blood pressure to sink, however cantering for 20min around an explosive fire will make the blood pressure rise. so there were 2 opposite things going on in this animal's body which was just too much. Add in that about 90% of these so called 'riders' are 1. drunk and 2. sit on a horse maybe 2 twice a year (1 practice ride before Sechseläuten, 1 the actual ride), you just have a chain of unfortunate incidents.
I think that the parade etc is ok for the horses, the music etc are things one can train with a horse to accept, the riding around exploding fire is not acceptable (also because there is only 1 'lane' for them to canter, should they miss this lane they are on concrete--> very slippery and dangerous with horse shoes).
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Re: The cruel side of Sechselauten-Horse dies of heart attack !

I can see both sides of the argument here, however I don't think that Sechselauten is particularly cruel or hard on the horses - especially when you consider horse racing.

You say the horse was 25 years old. Well the average horse lifespan is 25-30 years old. So the biggest mistake here was putting such an old fellow into the event - not to mention that for a heart attack to occur there is almost always an underlying problem, which in this case, given the age of the horse, there was likely to have been.

Banning the horses in Sechselauten isn't the answer, but perhaps more care should be taken over considering the age and general health of the horses taking part.
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It's a horse... it died doing it's job. I'm sure it had a good life and was looked after while it was alive. Such is life.
It was FORCED to be there and was reported to have showed indications of being stressed and wanting to stop. It was forced to go on. Let the Kambel Zunft men run around the fire next year and I will happily whip them into doing there "job" !
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