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Old 27.04.2015, 11:57
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Old 27.04.2015, 12:04
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I have been driving for a long time- never had a ticket in my life. Not a slow drive nor am I an aggressive drive. I am a good driver. Being new to Switzerland, was just asking if driving habits are different here. Obviously, seems that comments that are not all that are helpful are allowed. Appreciate the ones that are helpful in learning the ways here and adjusting.
This hardly makes you a "good" driver, a very cautious driver maybe and from this post i can guess exactly why you got honked, too slow which certainly is not a condition of being a good driver !
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Old 27.04.2015, 12:23
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I had my turn signal on waiting to turn left with on coming traffic and the car behind me just beeped and beeped at me to go. Really! Don't understand the mentality of some here in Switzerland.
Two possibilities:

1) There was actually no left turn permitted at that point. This happened to me in Basel wanting to turn left onto Gundelipasserelle from Nauenstrasse heading towards Bahnhof SBB, as I'd missed this sign:
when I expected a

The correct route was the take the previous right (Münchensteinestrasse) which then loops round via Lindenhofstrasse and goes across Nauenstrasse. Which junction were you at?

2) You were in front of a taxi driver. The shortest unit of time is that between a light going green and a taxi driver sounding his horn.
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Re: Why such aggressive drivers?

Horn honking is extremely common in Geneva (especially with all the French drivers who overtake on blind bends, go too fast & drive so close up your rear end you don't need to pay for an enema). If you want to change lanes you'll get honked at, if you don't overtake a road sweeper or bus despite the fact that you can't see round it or there are unbroken white lines (ie illegal to overtake) you will get honked at. If you draw a breath at a traffic light the second it is about to change colour, you'll get honked at - woe betide if you haven't actually been sitting in gear anticipating the light change. No one will actually GIVE WAY. You have to just go for it. Also don't assume anyone will move over on the motorway to let you on - in the UK people always moved over - here they won't.
We have a big car which people can't see round. The amount that overtake assuming it is us going slowly only to find themselves head on to a lorry 'cos there's a bike in front or something is horrifying.
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Old 27.04.2015, 12:39
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Re: Why such aggressive drivers?

Maybe the OP should post a link to the Google maps location of the incident so we can decide whether they were being too cautious - or the driver behind too impatient?
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Also don't assume anyone will move over on the motorway to let you on - in the UK people always moved over - here they won't.
And they don't have to... traffic joining has to give way.
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Old 27.04.2015, 14:02
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Re: Why such aggressive drivers?

My gripe especially if you live in a area with lots of roads with hairpins bends is that they always seem to cross the line and come around the corner on your side of the road. Also overtaking on a straight bit when cars are coming the other way and relying on the other driver to take action.
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Old 27.04.2015, 14:17
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Also don't assume anyone will move over on the motorway to let you on - in the UK people always moved over - here they won't.
Are you serious? The number of times I've been cut up by people desperate to move over and let someone in regardless of others passing in the outside lane....
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Old 27.04.2015, 14:28
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Are you serious? The number of times I've been cut up by people desperate to move over and let someone in regardless of others passing in the outside lane....
The "I'm coming onto the motorway whether you are in the way or not" attitude is getting worse and worse in the UK. A considerate driver, whenever possible, will look to move out to allow a person to join, however it is not always possible.

Said "I'm coming onto the motorway whether you are in the way or not" driver, having been given the space to pull out, then also tends to enjoy gunning it to undertake you and pull in front making you look like a div for pulling out in the first place. After that happening to me a number of times, mostly because cruise control is engaged, I have now become a "you can attempt to come onto the motorway all you like but I'm not moving because you can't judge your speed to find a gap" driver.
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Old 27.04.2015, 14:55
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My gripe especially if you live in a area with lots of roads with hairpins bends is that they always seem to cross the line and come around the corner on your side of the road.
Most such roads around here either have dashed lines, or no lines at all, so it is perfectly legal for them to do so.

On the other hand, I was going down the Ceneri once, and some twat with D plates was 2/3 over the DOUBLE line around one of the hairpins coming towards me!

Of course, maybe he was actually a Swiss driving a German registered car.

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Old 27.04.2015, 14:57
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Re: Why such aggressive drivers?

What you're supposed to do if you're joining the motorway - and I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong - is pull onto the main carriageway as soon as you can safely do so, even if that means trundling along the hard-shoulder for a while.
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Re: Why such aggressive drivers?

Well if we're descending into general gripes about Swiss drivers I'll highlight the many who will insist on slowing to below the speed limit on their speedo (i.e. a lot below in real speed terms) through tunnels etc. while still in the overtaking lane, regardless of the fact that they're now doing exactly the same speed as the car(s) on the lane inside of them. And/or sticking there for several kilometers going .001kph faster than the car they're overtaking with a clear lane in front of them and a queue of traffic building up behind.

It's simple enough - if you're not actually overtaking, move out of the overtaking lane, you moron. Or dare to go a couple of kph quicker until you're safely past and can move in.
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Old 27.04.2015, 15:08
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Re: Why such aggressive drivers?

On the way back to work after lunch today, had I been in the car behind my wife rather than in the car with her, I would have honked the horn myself!

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Old 27.04.2015, 15:13
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Most such roads around here either have dashed lines, or no lines at all, so it is perfectly legal for them to do so.

On the other hand, I was going down the Ceneri once, and some twat with D plates was 2/3 over the DOUBLE line around one of the hairpins coming towards me!

Of course, maybe he was actually a Swiss driving a German registered car.

Tom
This is my single biggest fear doing twisties. I already had a few cases where some douchecanoe hogged effectively both lanes in a corner even though they had ample room on their right. On the Klausen, I had such a bad case of clenched buttocks I could have bent girders.
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Horn honking is extremely common in Geneva (especially with all the French drivers who overtake on blind bends, go too fast & drive so close up your rear end you don't need to pay for an enema). If you want to change lanes you'll get honked at, if you don't overtake a road sweeper or bus despite the fact that you can't see round it or there are unbroken white lines (ie illegal to overtake) you will get honked at. If you draw a breath at a traffic light the second it is about to change colour, you'll get honked at - woe betide if you haven't actually been sitting in gear anticipating the light change. No one will actually GIVE WAY. You have to just go for it. Also don't assume anyone will move over on the motorway to let you on - in the UK people always moved over - here they won't.
We have a big car which people can't see round. The amount that overtake assuming it is us going slowly only to find themselves head on to a lorry 'cos there's a bike in front or something is horrifying.
What does UK stand for? Obviously it's not the United Kingdom...
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Old 27.04.2015, 15:30
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What you're supposed to do if you're joining the motorway - and I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong - is pull onto the main carriageway as soon as you can safely do so, even if that means trundling along the hard-shoulder for a while.
Every autobahn on ramp has a 'give way' triangle on it. This means give way...
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Re: Why such aggressive drivers?

I get agressive when I see those mothers driving huge SUVs that they can't maneuver well. Never follow one especially near an international school!
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Old 27.04.2015, 16:26
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Well if we're descending into general gripes about Swiss drivers I'll highlight the many who will insist on slowing to below the speed limit on their speedo (i.e. a lot below in real speed terms) through tunnels etc. while still in the overtaking lane, regardless of the fact that they're now doing exactly the same speed as the car(s) on the lane inside of them. And/or sticking there for several kilometers going .001kph faster than the car they're overtaking with a clear lane in front of them and a queue of traffic building up behind.

It's simple enough - if you're not actually overtaking, move out of the overtaking lane, you moron. Or dare to go a couple of kph quicker until you're safely past and can move in.
Just relax. Let them do their thing, and while you wait, move into the right hand lane yourself. Overall it'll add a few seconds to your journey and you'll get there surrounded by an aura of serenity and calm.

Or set off five minutes earlier to allow for said morons.
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Just relax. Let them do their thing, and while you wait, move into the right hand lane yourself. Overall it'll add a few seconds to your journey and you'll get there surrounded by an aura of serenity and calm.
Who said I'm not relaxed?
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Or set off five minutes earlier to allow for said morons.
Do you even drive?

It's not about getting there earlier, it's about not wasting time, and more importantly about consideration of other road users. That sort of behaviour tends to lead to tailgating, which tends to lead to bunching up of traffic, and frustration, both of which dramatically increase the risk of sudden braking causing accidents or long tailbacks to appear.
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Old 27.04.2015, 16:45
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Well if we're descending into general gripes about Swiss drivers I'll highlight the many who will insist on slowing to below the speed limit on their speedo (i.e. a lot below in real speed terms) through tunnels etc. while still in the overtaking lane, regardless of the fact that they're now doing exactly the same speed as the car(s) on the lane inside of them. And/or sticking there for several kilometers going .001kph faster than the car they're overtaking with a clear lane in front of them and a queue of traffic building up behind.

It's simple enough - if you're not actually overtaking, move out of the overtaking lane, you moron. Or dare to go a couple of kph quicker until you're safely past and can move in.
I'm not sure the Police would look at ir in the same way as you.

Do you think they advise people to ignore their speedos and just add a few a bit more speed on so they are going exactly at the speed limit (which is a limit, by the way - not the exact speed people should drive at as conditions may dictate otherwise).

Are you suggesting that everyone moves into the inside lane before they get into a tunnel so as not to inconvenience you?

Do you vent your anger by driving right up behind them in tunnels to try and force them out of the way.

You write like a real anal driver.
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