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Old 27.04.2015, 16:52
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I'm not sure the Police would look at ir in the same way as you.
Oh, I'm pretty sure they would, actually. In the UK this behaviour was very much taught as part of police driver and therefore advanced (no-police) driver traiing. (My bro was a police instructor for some years).
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Do you think they advise people to ignore their speedos and just add a few a bit more speed on so they are going exactly at the speed limit (which is a limit, by the way - not the exact speed people should drive at as conditions may dictate otherwise).
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Old 27.04.2015, 17:11
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Oh, I'm pretty sure they would, actually. In the UK this behaviour was very much taught as part of police driver and therefore advanced (no-police) driver traiing. (My bro was a police instructor for some years).
So exactly how many long tunnels (several kilometres is what you wrote) do they have in the U.K?


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...It's not about getting there earlier, it's about not wasting time, and more importantly about consideration of other road users. That sort of behaviour tends to lead to tailgating, which tends to lead to bunching up of traffic, and frustration, both of which dramatically increase the risk of sudden braking causing accidents or long tailbacks to appear.
Surely your brother also taught you that to avoid sudden braking, you should ease off the accelerator slightly to increase the distance between you and the vehicle in front?
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Old 27.04.2015, 17:33
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So exactly how many long tunnels (several kilometres is what you wrote) do they have in the U.K?
The tunnels are just an acute example - the behaviour can be seen all over the place, regardless of what limit is in force.

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Surely your brother also taught you that to avoid sudden braking, you should ease off the accelerator slightly to increase the distance between you and the vehicle in front?
Yes, and your point is? Just because the problems may be exacerbated by following drivers' poor behaviour doesn't excuse the guy at the front causing the issue in the first place.
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Old 27.04.2015, 17:40
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Re: Why such aggressive drivers?

Come on guys calm it down.

Problems are caused and made worse by:
- speeding ticket paranoia
- slow speed differentials when overtaking due to both overtaker not driving quick enough nor the overtakee backing off.
- aggressive drivers driving very close to the car in front.
- very aggressive drivers getting annoyed, undertaking and then pulling back out.

Tunnels are for easing off the throttle - dropping 2 gears and then giving it some beans - just because it sounds fab.
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Old 27.04.2015, 17:44
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In my helmet, nobody but me can hear the giggles!
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Old 27.04.2015, 17:52
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Tunnels are for easing off the throttle - dropping 2 gears and then giving it some beans - just because it sounds fab.
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Why is everyone in such a hurry. Seems like many drivers ride right on the back bumper most of the time. I had my turn signal on waiting to turn left with on coming traffic and the car behind me just beeped and beeped at me to go. Really! Don't understand the mentality of some here in Switzerland.
Driving on your back bumper is prevalent all over the world, its just some countries are worst than others, it all stems from crap driving and lousy road manners. Switzerland must rank high on the list for this. Probably the best way to deal with it is to just ignore them, don't let them intimidate you. I have driven on five continents for over 50 years and survived with this attitude. Just don't give them the credit of calling them drivers, they are not, they are just steerers and like to brag in the office that they saved 10 seconds on a 60 minute journey. I am lucky, I am no longer a resident of Switzerland so can enjoy my driving again in an Aero 8, DodgyKen will know what that is, not a mass produced company tin box.
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Old 27.04.2015, 18:03
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The tunnels are just an acute example - the behaviour can be seen all over the place, regardless of what limit is in force.
You were writing specifically about tunnels - where the risks and consequences of accidents tend to be greater - which is reflected in the higher penalties for speeding in tunnels.

I agree that it's annoying behaviour. But you seem to get really wound up by it which 'suggests' one or more of the following:

a). You have issues with aggression whilst driving. (the subject of this thread).
b). You don't allow enough time for your journeys.

Do you know what I do?

I pull into the right-hand lane and don't worry about the few seconds I'm adding to my journey.
I'm surprised advanced drivers (like your brother) don't suggest that.
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Re: Why such aggressive drivers?

Interesting to read the different perspectives.

I would say I am definitely a decisive driver yet I do not tailgate, honk, etc. I have driven all over Europe and have experienced the different driving styles in each country.

One thing I will say is that the Swiss, true Swiss, are very brave and bold inside a 2 ton piece of metal.

I have found that its best to let the little things on the road go, its going to happen and can happen anywhere. Out of our control....
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Old 29.04.2015, 12:30
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Re: Why such aggressive drivers?

Here in CH I'm often appalled at some of the drivers - I have a big van and it seems that it insults the ego of many a Swissie to have to be behind it at all. I couldn't count how many times i've been cruising along in the slow lane, going the speed limit- and had some luxury BMW/ Audi/ etc. come up from behind, move to the passing lane, speed by, and then swerve over in front of me doing a crazy double lane change onto an exit ramp, just to stop at a red light…

The tailgating has gotten worse in the US. I haven't lived on the east coast for almost 20 years, but every time I go back it seems like people are speeding more and are right up each other's butts on the highway - especially more dangerous as the roads are going to sh!t for lack of infrastructure maintenance.
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Old 29.04.2015, 12:35
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You were writing specifically about tunnels - where the risks and consequences of accidents tend to be greater - which is reflected in the higher penalties for speeding in tunnels.
Penalty is the same, tunnel, workzone or not:
https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...142/index.html
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Old 29.04.2015, 13:03
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Penalty is the same, tunnel, workzone or not:
https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...142/index.html
Perhaps I read that penalties are stiffer if one causes an accident in a tunnel with speeding being a primary cause?

Perhaps it was an urban myth?

It still holds true that the consequences of an accident in a tunnel can be much more severe than those from an accident on the open road.
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Old 29.04.2015, 13:24
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Do you even drive?
Not so much now, but I commuted daily 100km each way around the M25 for two years. And a few years back I commuted from Basel to Vevey twice a week.

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That sort of behaviour tends to lead to tailgating, which tends to lead to bunching up of traffic, and frustration, both of which dramatically increase the risk of sudden braking causing accidents or long tailbacks to appear.
Of course it does. I deal with it by backing off and making sure that if sudden braking does occur (or people cutting in and out or otherwise driving dangerously), I'll be able to react in time. My focus is on my safety and that of my passengers. I found that once I'd accepted that many (most) road users are morons, and simply adjusted my driving to accommodate them, driving long (or short) distance in heavy traffic on a regular basis was far less stressful. The only way to deal with aggressive, emotional, drunk, stoned, tired and/or stupid drivers is to drive defensively at all times.
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Old 29.04.2015, 13:54
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You were writing specifically about tunnels
wasn't my intention, just used it for illustration purposes.

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I agree that it's annoying behaviour. But you seem to get really wound up by it
Not at all. Just mentioned it in passing as another annoyance which can cause frustration in other drivers.
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Old 29.04.2015, 14:22
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Not at all. Just mentioned it in passing as another annoyance which can cause frustration in other drivers.
But not you, eh?
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This happened to me in Basel wanting to turn left onto Gundelipasserelle from Nauenstrasse
Isn't Gundeli-Passerelle a footbridge? No wonder eyebrows were raised. I suppose you could do it 'Diamonds are Forever' style. (Lock your differential first though).
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Re: Why such aggressive drivers?

Just looking through a copy of "Living and Working in Switzerland" 10th edition prior to sending it to a friend who has gone to Switzerland for 2 years with his job. It says on the subject of Swiss Drivers, the first line, the most popular Swiss motorsport is a public road variation of stock car racing, commonly referred to as tail-gating or shunting. Reading through the rest of the article it just confirms what the sensible drivers on here are complaining about. And that is in a quite respected book.
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Saw huge crash this morning by brugg... 1 van 2 or 3 cars... car in middle now half size.. all as result of tailgating... occupants were being cut out of the car.
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Isn't Gundeli-Passerelle a footbridge? No wonder eyebrows were raised. I suppose you could do it 'Diamonds are Forever' style. (Lock your differential first though).
Some of it, yes, but the first part gives entry to underground parking.
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Re: Why such aggressive drivers?

There are two kind of drivers on this word:
Those who drive on left lane too long and too slow and those who honk and tailgate.

*and me of course, I am always a perfect driver.
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