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Old 29.04.2015, 14:05
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Hurrah for K-Tip

I have to confess that over the past few months I have become a fan of K-Tip and its' sterling efforts to help Swiss consumers - by both highlighting - shall we say- "questionable" business practices in Switzerland, and by their reviews (few but reliable).

Reading through the magazine it is quite easy to conclude that a noticeable percentage of Swiss business is in the hands of wide-boys, spivs, chancers and dodgy dealers. Not that this is unusual, I can't think of any country that doesn't have its' share of business wide-boys, spivs, chancers and dodgy dealers, but the extent of this in Switzerland (and the apparent powerlessness of consumers) very much flies in the face of the Swiss reputation for fiscal probity...

Furthermore, the authorities do appear to seem to be unwilling or unable to address such businesses as well as I think they should, and unfortunately, I do sometimes get the impression that K-Tip is a lone voice in the consumer wilderness... Who knows, perhaps K-Tip is gently nudging the authorities in the right direction in regards to improving consumer protection in Switzerland???

In regards to the in-house product reviews that they do (they also quote reviews done by German and other consumer groups), whenever I have followed their recommendations and bought something, I have always been pleased with my purchase. So if K-Tip states that the 2CHF whatsit from X is better than the 220 CHF whatsit from famious Swiss chain - believe them.

So well done K-Tip
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Old 29.04.2015, 14:12
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In regards to the in-house product reviews that they do (they also quote reviews done by German and other consumer groups), whenever I have followed their recommendations and bought something, I have always been pleased with my purchase. So if K-Tip states that the 2CHF whatsit from X is better than the 220 CHF whatsit from famious Swiss chain - believe them.
I bought a frying pan once based on their top recommendation. It was rubbish. Other readers were also annoyed with their purchase too.

Some of their headlines are funny.
Recently, "Not every single cycle helmet on sale in Switzerland is more expensive than abroad!"

But there is good stuff in there too.
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I do sometimes get the impression that K-Tip is a lone voice in the consumer wilderness...
I find the Beobachter to be equally helpful. It is indeed strange that Swiss consumer laws favour the seller. How often do I hear "Selber schuld" - it's your own fault.

http://www.beobachter.ch/themen/

There is also a French equivalent to K-Tipp - I have forgotten the name.
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Re: Hurrah for K-Tip

For what it's worth, I don't think as highly of k-tipp as I once did. Why? Because often what they expect of companies is either unreasonable or altogether impossible. Plus their product comparisons often focus on things that aren't the most important. (You'll see this if they ever review a product category you're an expert on.)

The other thing that has REALLY made k-tipp lose my respect is their harping about electrosensitivity (Elektrosmog). They write about it constantly, with the tone of conspiracy theorists, taking it as a given that a) electrosensitivity exists, and b) the big evil companies are lying to us about it. Meanwhile, back in reality, electrosensitivity keeps getting debunked in test after test. (Self-proclaimed electrosensitive people, when put to rigorous scientific experiment, show zero correlation of symptoms to actual exposure to electromagnetic radiation, and 100% correlation to being told they're being exposed to it...)

The big value in k-tipp is its role in bringing prices down.

With all that said, I highly recommend Kassensturz (the TV program, which used to be affiliated with k-tipp but is now independent).
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There is also a French equivalent to K-Tipp - I have forgotten the name.
Anyone here knows the name of the French equivalent?
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Anyone here knows the name of the French equivalent?
Maybe "Bon à Savoir"?
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I find the Beobachter to be equally helpful. It is indeed strange that Swiss consumer laws favour the seller. How often do I hear "Selber schuld" - it's your own fault.

http://www.beobachter.ch/themen/

There is also a French equivalent to K-Tipp - I have forgotten the name.

Phew! You scared me! I thought you were recommending THAT Beobachter!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6lkischer_Beobachter
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Re: Hurrah for K-Tip

On TV
A bon entendeur http://www.rts.ch/emissions/abe/

As a magazin
Bon à savoir http://www.bonasavoir.ch
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60 Millions de Consommateurs is a very serious, reliable source:
http://www.60millions-mag.com/


and for the U.K., "Which" magazine, of course!
http://www.which.co.uk/
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I find the Beobachter to be equally helpful. It is indeed strange that Swiss consumer laws favour the seller. How often do I hear "Selber schuld" - it's your own fault.

http://www.beobachter.ch/themen/

There is also a French equivalent to K-Tipp - I have forgotten the name.
Thanks for that.
It is like an EF but in German. Just read threads like this:
http://www.beobachter.ch/foren/ueber...lte-vermieter/
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Re: Hurrah for K-Tip

K-Tipp is indeed pretty helpful, although I find some of their food tests a bit lacking.

They'll often grade food items in a given category based on criteria which are of interest, but secondary to the main point for most people - taste.

For example, they might look at jams, awarding it points for clear labelling, sugar content, fruit content, value for money, etc, but not have points category for "overall taste".

Otherwise, a great magazine.
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"Mieux Choisir" is the magazine of the romandie federation for consumer defense.
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K-Tipp is indeed pretty helpful, although I find some of their food tests a bit lacking.

They'll often grade food items in a given category based on criteria which are of interest, but secondary to the main point for most people - taste.

For example, they might look at jams, awarding it points for clear labelling, sugar content, fruit content, value for money, etc, but not have points category for "overall taste".

Otherwise, a great magazine.
Well, taste is not really objective. Some will like the taste, some won't. Or would you stop buying your favorite jam, because K-Tipp decided to give them a bad ranking in taste?
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K-Tipp is indeed pretty helpful, although I find some of their food tests a bit lacking.

They'll often grade food items in a given category based on criteria which are of interest, but secondary to the main point for most people - taste.

For example, they might look at jams, awarding it points for clear labelling, sugar content, fruit content, value for money, etc, but not have points category for "overall taste".

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That's a problem with a lot of these tests.

I remember Which? magazine in the U.K. doing a test on fleece jackets a few years ago. One of the major factors was how long it took to dry (or dry enough to retain warmth) after getting wet - be it a sudden downpour, falling in a stream, or just washing whilst travelling).
Some of the cheaper jackets took hours to dry but others could be wrung out and put on straight away.
This wasn't considered an important factor in their tests but for me would have been in the top three.

I think people can be fairly objective about taste. Perhaps a panel of four people could do it. It works for wine and other drinks.
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Re: Hurrah for K-Tip

Have they taken a close look at on-line forums in Switzerland yet?

Not all public forums are the same you know.

Some of them are full of people posting the same old crap for no reason.

Some of them are full of people posting the same old crap for no reason.

Some of them are full of people posting the same old crap for no reason.
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Since I discovered and started using K-Tips, my ears have never been so clean and wax free.
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Since I discovered and started using K-Tips, my ears have never been so clean and wax free.
Whatever floats your boat. I've been using paper clips, biro lids or the folded up corners of paper.

Didn't realise there are other options. Someone should really do a review of those.
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"Mieux Choisir" is the magazine of the romandie federation for consumer defense.
and also

FRC (Fédération Romande des Consommateurs) and

Bon à Savoir

I did write to them all to suggest it was daft to dilute their influence and it would be better to have ONE for the whole of Switzerland, with more clout- and gave the example of WHICH magazine in the UK which really does get poor businesses quaking in their boots - but none of them agreed- who do I write to to complain?
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"Mieux Choisir" is the magazine of the romandie federation for consumer defense.
'Mieux Choisir' is the magazine of the FRC (Fédération Romande des Consommateurs), and there is also :

Bon à Savoir

I did write to them all to suggest it was daft to dilute their influence and it would be better to have ONE for the whole of Switzerland, or at least Romandie, with more clout- and gave the example of WHICH magazine in the UK which really does get poor businesses quaking in their boots - but none of them agreed- who do I write to to complain?
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Well, taste is not really objective. Some will like the taste, some won't. Or would you stop buying your favorite jam, because K-Tipp decided to give them a bad ranking in taste?

I agree that taste is not objective. But then they need to be consistent about it. They do award points for some taste in *some* tests - such as their fairly frequent wine comparisons - but not in others.

It's frustrating that they award points for taste in these tests (and for other criteria), yet neglect to do so in a host of other food/drink tests.
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