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Old 24.02.2015, 05:55
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All cows prefer the grass on the other side of the fence
Not Swiss cows, surely?
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Old 27.02.2015, 12:08
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Not Swiss cows, surely?
Them too. But they're clever enough to only stick their head across
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Old 27.02.2015, 17:12
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Re: Swiss Rudeness

Maybe its because I'm German, but its not so much the sometimes encountered open rudeness rather than the indirect one as well as the inflexibility of some.


I noticed, working altogether 6 years in Switzerland and with Swiss, that any change will take generally a little longer and some more complaining to be implemented (I personally see a trend - my opinion entirely, no claim of being correct).


Example: Run a global RFQ after consulting and confirming with all stakeholders, implement the results, and receive astonished questions only from the Swiss sites why nobody was informed, why we need to change, it was like this for 20odd years and all is well, we know the old suppliers daughters dogs mother by name and they will be very very sad, plus escalating the matter in a huge complaint email (without myself in cc of course) to my manager, his manager, the CEO and the board of directors.


To be clear, this does not mean ALL Swiss are like that, its my personal observation and opinion
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Old 27.02.2015, 18:28
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Maybe its because I'm German, but its not so much the sometimes encountered open rudeness rather than the indirect one as well as the inflexibility of some.


I noticed, working altogether 6 years in Switzerland and with Swiss, that any change will take generally a little longer and some more complaining to be implemented (I personally see a trend - my opinion entirely, no claim of being correct).


Example: Run a global RFQ after consulting and confirming with all stakeholders, implement the results, and receive astonished questions only from the Swiss sites why nobody was informed, why we need to change, it was like this for 20odd years and all is well, we know the old suppliers daughters dogs mother by name and they will be very very sad, plus escalating the matter in a huge complaint email (without myself in cc of course) to my manager, his manager, the CEO and the board of directors.


To be clear, this does not mean ALL Swiss are like that, its my personal observation and opinion
About "plus escalating the matter in a huge complaint..." Not unusual in my experience; basically a lack of understanding of how hierarchies work in large companies combined with a naive assumption that the whole chain of management would be interested and bother to read the email.
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Old 28.02.2015, 12:32
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Maybe its because I'm German, but its not so much the sometimes encountered open rudeness rather than the indirect one as well as the inflexibility of some.


I noticed, working altogether 6 years in Switzerland and with Swiss, that any change will take generally a little longer and some more complaining to be implemented (I personally see a trend - my opinion entirely, no claim of being correct).


Example: Run a global RFQ after consulting and confirming with all stakeholders, implement the results, and receive astonished questions only from the Swiss sites why nobody was informed, why we need to change, it was like this for 20odd years and all is well, we know the old suppliers daughters dogs mother by name and they will be very very sad, plus escalating the matter in a huge complaint email (without myself in cc of course) to my manager, his manager, the CEO and the board of directors.


To be clear, this does not mean ALL Swiss are like that, its my personal observation and opinion


German ? You certainly realise that Germany is very diverse and things differ from state to state and city to city, So quite comparable with Switzerland and Austria and also Italy, a proforma central republic which in reality is a Union of very Independent city-states
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Old 28.02.2015, 12:38
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Re: Swiss Rudeness

Auro,
to be fair to the Swiss, being extra rude is their idea of adapting to a German audience. Right or wrong I don't know, but I prefer seeing the real face of people... as Germans, facing confrontation is no big deal, so we don't have it so bad afterall.
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Old 28.02.2015, 12:57
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Auro,
to be fair to the Swiss, being extra rude is their idea of adapting to a German audience.


You nailed it.





In all fairness, not only the Swiss and not only towards Germans. It's a....common thing.
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Old 28.02.2015, 13:48
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To be clear, this does not mean ALL Swiss are like that, its my personal observation and opinion
I can cite the same kind of story with Germans I have worked with. This sounds more like a specific situation with workplace politics. I don't think its fair to elevate such a personal experience to a whole Swiss cultural attribute. What is it called again when someone does that? Could it be... the R word?
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Old 05.03.2015, 22:56
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Re: Swiss Rudeness

No worse then immigration officers at Heathrow airport who last time I flew in thought it was rude to request them to come back from their lunch break and damn well serve the queue of over 100 people who they thought could just stand around waiting for them to even care
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Re: Swiss Rudeness

There are rude people everywhere.

And everyone of us have bad days.
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Re: Swiss Rudeness

I agree that there are rude people everywhere, but sometimes I do feel some of the older people where I am can be so rude and prejudice towards anyone foreign or different to what they are used to. I was on the bus yesterday, and an old man got on; of course, as soon as I noticed him I got up and offered him my seat. His arrogant response (with the snotty look) was to scoff and tell me he was getting off soon anyway, rather than to at least say thanks. It was just the rudeness and the most awful stare he gave me; like I was something he stepped in. Then, later that day, again on the bus, it was packed and I got on and was standing next to another old man. It was quite difficult because I had a few heavy shopping bags with me, and as the bus came to a stop and some people got off, an old lady got hit by the bus doors as they closed faster than she could get off. Of course this old man thought to give me the evil eye and blame me, saying I should have moved right out of the way so people had more room to get off. Well, I'd like to see how anyone can move anywhere when the bus is jam packed and you have bloody heavy bags with you. I didn't get a chance because people didn't start getting off and freeing up space until when this old lady got off and got caught in the doors. I then remained on the bus, with the icey cold stare from the old fart all the way home! I know I shouldn't take it personally, but the arrogance, prejudice and rudeness of some of the older generation is bad!
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I was on the bus yesterday, and an old man got on; of course, as soon as I noticed him I got up and offered him my seat. His arrogant response (with the snotty look) was to scoff and tell me he was getting off soon anyway, rather than to at least say thanks. It was just the rudeness and the most awful stare he gave me; like I was something he stepped in.
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Of course you did.
Calling him an "old man" here probably means that you thought it, and it was exactly that thought behind of your offer. Could be perceived as a very insulting way of thinking.
It's a difficult matter, in fact. Worse even than the "Sie" and "Du"-thing.

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Of course this old man thought to give me the evil eye and blame me, saying I should have moved right out of the way so people had more room to get off. Well, I'd like to see how anyone can move anywhere when the bus is jam packed and you have bloody heavy bags with you.
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Again, he was right and you are wrong. Also by law you cannot use a public bus for persons as a transportation means for your stuff. Take a taxi or your private car, walk or let you deliver your groceries by a service, if you are unwilling or unable to make sure everybody is safe close to your shopping items.


Your error is that you think what is OK and good in your homecountry would be in Switzerland, too.


This is no fault of the elderly generation, sorry.
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Old 19.03.2015, 15:22
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Again, he was right and you are wrong. Also by law you cannot use a public bus for persons as a transportation means for your stuff. Take a taxi or your private car, walk or let you deliver your groceries by a service, if you are unwilling or unable to make sure everybody is safe close to your shopping items.
Please could you quote the law as sometimes we've got the bus to the station with our luggage to take the train to the airport and I'd hate to think I was breaking the law.

I've also done the same with snowboarding and skiing gear on the bus to the station on numerous occasions.

Or are you just an old windbag in real life too?
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Old 19.03.2015, 15:24
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I know I shouldn't take it personally, but the arrogance, prejudice and rudeness of some of the older generation is bad!
You shouldn't, but it is. There are some delightful, happy old people, but there are also a lot of grouchy old grumps. I warm to the former, feel sorry for the latter.

In a few decades I will be one of those old people. I hope I'm one of the happy ones.
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Old 19.03.2015, 15:34
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I agree that there are rude people everywhere, but sometimes I do feel some of the older people where I am can be so rude and prejudice towards anyone foreign or different to what they are used to. I was on the bus yesterday, and an old man got on; of course, as soon as I noticed him I got up and offered him my seat. His arrogant response (with the snotty look) was to scoff and tell me he was getting off soon anyway, rather than to at least say thanks. It was just the rudeness and the most awful stare he gave me; like I was something he stepped in.
Perhaps the guy was single, dressed up well, thought he looked very handsome and was looking for a date.
Then the first young girl he sees on the bus offers him a place because he obviously looks old.
How would you feel?
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Old 19.03.2015, 15:35
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Of course you did.
Calling him an "old man" here probably means that you thought it, and it was exactly that thought behind of your offer. Could be perceived as a very insulting way of thinking.
It's a difficult matter, in fact. Worse even than the "Sie" and "Du"-thing.


Again, he was right and you are wrong. Also by law you cannot use a public bus for persons as a transportation means for your stuff. Take a taxi or your private car, walk or let you deliver your groceries by a service, if you are unwilling or unable to make sure everybody is safe close to your shopping items.


Your error is that you think what is OK and good in your homecountry would be in Switzerland, too.


This is no fault of the elderly generation, sorry.
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Again, he was right and you are wrong. Also by law you cannot use a public bus for persons as a transportation means for your stuff. Take a taxi or your private car, walk or let you deliver your groceries by a service, if you are unwilling or unable to make sure everybody is safe close to your shopping items.

No wonder the Swiss prisons are full to the brim, it must be all those law breakers who insist on taking their shopping on public transport that's causing it.
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Your error is that you think what is OK and good in your homecountry would be in Switzerland, too.
Switzerland is her home country.

Are you always such a presumptuous git?
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Switzerland is her home country.

Are you always such a presumptuous git?
Her info says she is double nationality. I.e. it can well be that she got used to another standard, e.g. the British. UK is definitely not Switzerland, but very different in many aspects.
You are an Anglo-Saxon, aren't you? You might be aware. Anglo-Saxons in Switzerland are perceived to be the rudest gang on the earth. Not because they are bad, but simply because the logics behind can be very different.

Also inside Switzerland, even inside the same canton, standards can differ by much. Easiest thing is simply to ask people from the place, or to ask the interested Person in the first place, bypassing the age thing (e.g. like "I have to get off in a few stops, could I perhaps offer you my seat?"). Maybe ExoticGirl did, but still one couldn't say why the other Person felt offended and why that should be a proof that Swiss pensionists are rude (remember the title of this thread?),

instead of (and this is the error) thinking that anybody opposing to her standards would be wrong a priori.

You think it never happened to me to step into that Fettnäpfchen to offer a place to elderly people, or - the other way around - not to offer it because of fear to offend? Sometimes it's not easy.
Well, OK, the shopping bag thing is easier, in fact.
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Old 19.03.2015, 16:16
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Her info says she is double nationality. I.e. it can well be that she got used to another standard, e.g. the British. UK is definitely not Switzerland, but very different in many aspects.
You are an Anglo-Saxon, aren't you? You might be aware. Anglo-Saxons in Switzerland are perceived to be the rudest gang on the earth. Not because they are bad, but simply because the logics behind can be very different.

Also inside Switzerland, even inside the same canton, standards can differ by much. Easiest thing is simply to ask people from the place, or to ask the interested Person in the first place, bypassing the age thing (e.g. like "I have to get off in a few stops, could I perhaps offer you my seat?"). Maybe ExoticGirl did, but still one couldn't say why the other Person felt offended and why that should be a proof that Swiss pensionists are rude (remember the title of this thread?),

instead of (and this is the error) thinking that anybody opposing to her standards would be wrong a priori.

You think it never happened to me to step into that Fettnäpfchen to offer a place to elderly people, or - the other way around - not to offer it because of fear to offend? Sometimes it's not easy.
Well, OK, the shopping bag thing is easier, in fact.
Hmm, maybe my previous post was a little premature.
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