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Old 19.03.2015, 16:18
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Hmm, maybe my previous post was a little premature.
Quite. I have loads of things that I should be doing but this thread is just so funny. I thought I must have skipped a day and we were Friday already for a minute.
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Please could you quote the law as sometimes we've got the bus to the station with our luggage to take the train to the airport and I'd hate to think I was breaking the law.
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Try Art. 23 Abs. 1 PBG, e.g.
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Old 19.03.2015, 16:41
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You are an Anglo-Saxon, aren't you?
**** off. I'm English.

Talk about rude!
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Old 19.03.2015, 16:48
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**** off. I'm English.

Talk about rude!
Or 45% German, according to the latest research.

That explains the rudeness then.
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Old 19.03.2015, 16:49
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Try Art. 23 Abs. 1 PBG, e.g.
Luggage is definitely not in one of those categories, including D.
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Old 19.03.2015, 16:53
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Try Art. 23 Abs. 1 PBG, e.g.
Reisende dürfen leicht tragbare Gegenstände (Handgepäck) unentgeltlich in das Fahrzeug mitnehmen, wenn die Verhältnisse es gestatten.

A translation for our readers who may not be comfortable in German:

"Passengers may take easily portable objects (hand luggage) on board the vehicle with them at no additional charge, where conditions permit it."

It says nothing about what passengers may not bring.
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Old 19.03.2015, 16:57
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It says nothing about what passengers may not bring.
Or shopping bags.
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Old 19.03.2015, 17:09
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Re: Swiss Rudeness

I am dual national - as in I hold a Swiss passport, speak fluent Swisss and German, and my mother's side is Swiss, but my father is English. Although I spent a lot of time visiting my grandparents here as a kid, I lived in the UK until last year, when I moved here. Aside from my above mentioned experience, I am still overall happy to be here and do not regret the move. There are many things in England I could moan about, not to mention the awful trains/public transport; and on the subject of public transport, if that ridiculous comment above about law-breaking by bringing baggage/shopping on public transport, then I must be serious criminal by now then! Oh dear, better watch out for the police!
Funnily enough, I am far from the only one who brings bags on a bus! I see people all the time with their luggage, hiking gear, musical instruments etc.. You can't really expect everyone who has any bags, other than their handbag or wallet, to hire a taxi or buy a car! I actually cannot drive due to health reasons, and I do not see why I should pay 100 CHF for a taxi, just because I have a few bags, when I have a 70 CHF monthly travel pass. The brilliant public transport here is precisely why many do not have to rely on calling taxis and having a car.

Well, I was purely being well-mannered in offering the guy my seat. I understand that maybe he could have felt offended because he perhaps felt insecure about being older; but I bet you anything, that if I had not offered my seat, I would have been given the evil eye for being the selfish 'young' one for not giving up her seat; I also had a bit of shopping there, but I still got up and offered the seat rather than take up the space with my bags like I have seen many do! You can't win!
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Old 19.03.2015, 17:15
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Try Art. 23 Abs. 1 PBG, e.g.
I thought this was going to be the article outlawing anyone's thinking of potentially insulting things about another person.
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Old 19.03.2015, 18:31
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Of course you did.
Calling him an "old man" here probably means that you thought it, and it was exactly that thought behind of your offer. Could be perceived as a very insulting way of thinking.
It's a difficult matter, in fact. Worse even than the "Sie" and "Du"-thing.
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Oh dear, I know what you mean but sometimes we make mistakes. It happened to me too to offer my place to an old gentleman whom I thought to be "frail"...he was obviously offended (body language can't lie) but remained polite. I should have known better and all that. Zealousness!
Now I'm totally absorbed by some book/magazine/phone. It saves me from a lot of existential problems.
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Old 19.03.2015, 18:35
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Although I spent a lot of time visiting my grandparents here as a kid, I lived in the UK until last year, when I moved here.
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... and on the subject of public transport, if that ridiculous comment above about law-breaking by bringing baggage/shopping on public transport, then I must be serious criminal by now then!
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Stating that somebody on the bus thought that your bags nearly caused an accident wasn't me.

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Well, I was purely being well-mannered in offering the guy my seat. I understand that maybe he could have felt offended because he perhaps felt insecure about being older; but I bet you anything, that if I had not offered my seat, I would have been given the evil eye for being the selfish 'young' one for not giving up her seat; I also had a bit of shopping there, but I still got up and offered the seat rather than take up the space with my bags like I have seen many do! You can't win!
Might be, but you don't know that, because for natural reasons you couldn't have tried 2 different strategies at the same time.

But still that cannot lead to the conclusion that all elderly persons are badly educated, rude persons.
Plus you cannot deduct from your environment's reaction that you did nothing wrong. Sometimes it's very difficult to understand what exactly the error is, but assuming that the other is wrong only because one has no clue what my mistake is, imho can be very risky.


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Old 19.03.2015, 18:42
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Re: Swiss Rudeness

I think that a friendly way to offer is "Du Grössi, wösch hocke?".
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Re: Swiss Rudeness

I know that not all older people here are rude or unfriendly. I've seen some lovely older people; one lady I got chatting to when I first moved here even forgave me for forgetting the 'Sie' instead of 'Du' thing. Made me feel very at home. I guess I just felt a bit down yesterday because it was two incidents in one afternoon. It's also not nice to be stared at like you commited a serious offence or something! Being around nice people has the power to make a lot of difference. It's simple and it costs nothing to be at least polite, even if you may be a little offended. It's not like I was rude outright to the guy, I simply offered him my seat. It can be easy to get a bit negative and not see the whole picture, so I try to focus on the good people I have come across in my travels.
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Old 20.03.2015, 14:56
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I wish i could speak fluent Swisss with three esses. Would make my life so much easier.
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Re: Swiss Rudeness

GirlExotica,
Sorry that you have had to deal with some rude/nasty people. I think perhaps like you I'm much more of the attempt to be kind and do the right thing mindset. Really, don't let it get to you. There are going to be rude people no matter the country, age, mode of transport, etc. Do you best to remember the good folks that you encounter on a daily basis as they far outnumber the jerks.

I've only had one semi-rude encounter on a train. I think the person sitting near me and my son felt that my son was being a bit loud so he mumbled something under his breath to his female seatmate and then stared at me and my son.
So, I gave him a second to avert his eyes which didn't happen so I gave him my best border collie moving sheep stare (the eye) and SMILED at him as big as my big ole American face/mouth could do. He held my gaze for a second and then honestly didn't know where to look. I don't think they were expecting such a response........
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Old 20.03.2015, 23:15
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That sheepdog look will win at all times!! Good on you, at least you didn't have to speak in your fluent Swahili.
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Old 20.03.2015, 23:21
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Jumbo sana- lala salama
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Old 20.03.2015, 23:24
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Some people simply do not get it that we need just one cubicle of air to breath ...

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The other day I went to the office canteen for lunch and was queueing up to pay for the usual bowl of gruel. The canteen operates subsidised meals for internal employees; externals and contractors pay a few francs more.

I was an contractor for a long time at my present employer and just got used to saying “Extern” at the checkout. So today, having got up at 5am to get to Zürich for work and not having had a lot of sleep over the weekend I had a momentary lapse and said “Extern” instead of “Intern”.

Before I could correct myself the woman at the checkout had rung up the “Extern” price - for which I did not have enough money in my pocket.
So I apologised profusely and explained I was an external for a long time and could she just delete and enter the intern price. The woman just got in a real huff and in usual Swiss fashion just started muttering that it wouldn’t be possible and couldn’t I just pay the external price.

I mentioned I didn’t have enough cash so reluctantly she rang up the internal price.

I really don’t understand what the big deal was - what is it about some Swiss that they have to jump on each and every minor transgression or slip a foreigner happens to make. I made an error but I apologised politely. I even smiled wished her a nice day at the end of her ludicrous performance.

Sometimes I wish I was back in England - preferably the North or the South West where people are just a little bit friendly and will cut you some slack now and again.
the big deal was you caused the person extra work. Causing extra work to people that did not pay attention in school is a horror scenario for them.
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Old 08.04.2015, 19:09
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So next time I'll just tell the woman to <Anglo Saxon phrase involving sex and travel> - just so I'm not being superficially friendly.
The trick is to ask to speak the assistant here yesterday, the one that isn't rude to everyone...
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