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Hi there,

sorry to hear about your experiance I expect it was very frustrating.

We've been here since July last year and have always found the Swiss friendly enough. But hey hey hey yesterday I had my first taste of their famous charms!

I was in Migros, at the till and the lady infront of me was politely waiting for the checkout girl to ring through her shopping. I was next and had put my shopping on ready.... my three year old was quite fed up and naturally starting playing up a bit. Then the till broke!! We waited there for a good ten minutes before the manager closed the till. Now in good old Blighty you would have been shown to the next checkout at least , nope not here. I looked across to the next till there were a couple of elderly ladies there the first promptly turned her back on me as soon as I made eye contact, the second when I asked of I could jump in as I only had a few things and she had a trolley full, looked at me like I was something nasty and flicked her head to the side and motioned for me to go behind her. Bearing in mind there were about 10 people in the queue by now and I had an irrate child and just a few bits.

I was so annoyed I told my child what I thought!! The man just let me go infront of him but was obviously not Swiss!! Then to annoy me even further the poor old lady who then had to repack all her shopping into her basket looked to the back of the queue in dismay and started to head to the back. Well there was a very loud excuse me from me in German and I smiled eagerly and motioned her to go infront of me! Well she was so shocked as she had obviously heard me trying to placate my bored child who had removed all the paper shopping bags and tried to restack them amongst other things by now, I'd like to add in her little defence she was quite cheery for most of the time, and I just hoped that my actions would put the others to shame!!! She was so grateful and it was clear that nobody else could even give a hoot that we had been there already for a long time.

I wish I could speak more German because I'd have tried to put those women to shame, but then again would they have even cared.........
In one of the smaller towns just outside Basel, I've seen a similar situation and everyone was very fair. Must be (as my Basler friend would put it) just a "Swiss" thing.
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Old 18.04.2015, 09:06
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Hi there,

sorry to hear about your experiance I expect it was very frustrating.

We've been here since July last year and have always found the Swiss friendly enough. But hey hey hey yesterday I had my first taste of their famous charms!

I was in Migros, at the till and the lady infront of me was politely waiting for the checkout girl to ring through her shopping. I was next and had put my shopping on ready.... my three year old was quite fed up and naturally starting playing up a bit. Then the till broke!! We waited there for a good ten minutes before the manager closed the till. Now in good old Blighty you would have been shown to the next checkout at least , nope not here. I looked across to the next till there were a couple of elderly ladies there the first promptly turned her back on me as soon as I made eye contact, the second when I asked of I could jump in as I only had a few things and she had a trolley full, looked at me like I was something nasty and flicked her head to the side and motioned for me to go behind her. Bearing in mind there were about 10 people in the queue by now and I had an irrate child and just a few bits.

I was so annoyed I told my child what I thought!! The man just let me go infront of him but was obviously not Swiss!! Then to annoy me even further the poor old lady who then had to repack all her shopping into her basket looked to the back of the queue in dismay and started to head to the back. Well there was a very loud excuse me from me in German and I smiled eagerly and motioned her to go infront of me! Well she was so shocked as she had obviously heard me trying to placate my bored child who had removed all the paper shopping bags and tried to restack them amongst other things by now, I'd like to add in her little defence she was quite cheery for most of the time, and I just hoped that my actions would put the others to shame!!! She was so grateful and it was clear that nobody else could even give a hoot that we had been there already for a long time.

I wish I could speak more German because I'd have tried to put those women to shame, but then again would they have even cared.........

Strange, very strange even
> you are sure that the man who let you move was NOT Swiss
> you are sure that the elder ladies WERE Swiss
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>> and you presume that the personnel WAS Swiss


assumptions assumptions guesses guesses
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Strange, very strange even
> you are sure that the man who let you move was NOT Swiss
> you are sure that the elder ladies WERE Swiss
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>> and you presume that the personnel WAS Swiss


assumptions assumptions guesses guesses

The cashiers are Swiss because it's a small Migros just three tills so usually the same people on the till. I do speak another language and my Aunt told me that they were Swiss when we came here as obviously I can use another language when out alone and it makes my life easier!!
The ladies were Swiss because I could hear them talking in German for quite a while before they got to the till. They looked Swiss as well, where I live theres a lot of foreigners and they always speak their Mother tongue when out.
The man behind me could've been Swiss he just had a different skin tone so he looked foreign. So yes he was an assumption ........

Good point actually!!!

But hey since July it's my first moan about the Swiss, so I think I can be forgiven for one assumption
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Old 18.04.2015, 10:37
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The ladies were Swiss because I could hear them talking in German
My wife NEVER speaks German, even when in Zurich.

Yet she's Swiss.

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They looked Swiss as well
ah the swiss, they look all the same to me.....
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The cashiers are Swiss because it's a small Migros just three tills so usually the same people on the till. I do speak another language and my Aunt told me that they were Swiss when we came here as obviously I can use another language when out alone and it makes my life easier!!
The ladies were Swiss because I could hear them talking in German for quite a while before they got to the till. They looked Swiss as well, where I live theres a lot of foreigners and they always speak their Mother tongue when out.
The man behind me could've been Swiss he just had a different skin tone so he looked foreign. So yes he was an assumption ........

Good point actually!!!

But hey since July it's my first moan about the Swiss, so I think I can be forgiven for one assumption

There nowadays even are many soldiers with heavily different skin colours
They clearly are Swiss citizens


Imagine three elder ladies meeting here, one of Finnish, one of Polish and one of Greek origin. And all three having here for at least 25 years.. The hairs of all of them white. What language will they use ? Most likely Swiss German
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Re: Swiss Rudeness

You know what I found out here...give a smile while swiss people like this are complaning about you just because they are unhappy or whatever....they feel so bad when they see you don't mind....
I know what you mean...people in England are really polite...
I am here for a month...and I went through some stuffs like that, like not putting the grossery separation bar in Kasse during shopping in Migros lol...a woman got so mad at me...that I kind started laughing....because, oh well ...what else can I do about?

Just don't feel like the problem is you beeing a foreigner...we live in a global world...the problem is they have to adappt...!
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You know what I found out here...give a smile while swiss people like this are complaning about you just because they are unhappy or whatever....they feel so bad when they see you don't mind....
I know what you mean...people in England are really polite...
I am here for a month...and I went through some stuffs like that, like not putting the grossery separation bar in Kasse during shopping in Migros lol...a woman got so mad at me...that I kind started laughing....because, oh well ...what else can I do about?

Just don't feel like the problem is you beeing a foreigner...we live in a global world...the problem is they have to adappt...!

People in England really polite ?? what were you drinking this morning ?
Some there may be proforma polite, quite many simply rough or rude, some however REALLY friendly.


Not putting the Separation Bar correctly is regarded as RUDE and then laughing when others complain is perceived as even exceedingly rude and not accepting the complaint as aggressively ignorant

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People in England really polite ?? what were you drinking this morning ?
Some there may be proforma polite, quite many simply rough or rude, some however REALLY friendly.


Not putting the Separation Bar correctly is regarded as RUDE and then laughing when others complain is perceived as even exceedingly rude and not accepting the complaint as aggressively ignorant
I always take my own separation bar when I go shopping. It's a very nice separation bar, but it does confuse the checkout staff a bit.
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I always take my own separation bar when I go shopping. It's a very nice separation bar, but it does confuse the checkout staff a bit.


I might suggest THIS



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I might suggest THIS
Mine looks like this:

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You know what I found out here...give a smile while swiss people like this are complaning about you just because they are unhappy or whatever....they feel so bad when they see you don't mind....
I know what you mean...people in England are really polite...
I am here for a month...and I went through some stuffs like that, like not putting the grossery separation bar in Kasse during shopping in Migros lol...a woman got so mad at me...that I kind started laughing....because, oh well ...what else can I do about?

Just don't feel like the problem is you beeing a foreigner...we live in a global world...the problem is they have to adappt...!
Back home I was once yelled at by an old woman behind me in the queue because apparently I was too slow when I payed my stuff! She must have missed her telenovela/soap opera time or somthin'.
Being or getting old is crap everywhere. Just sayin'.
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What is OLD ?
... the 90 years olds are amazed to see lots of TEENAGER employees in all kinds of companies...

Oh? You have to wait till 90 to have this experience?
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Oh? You have to wait till 90 to have this experience?

Not necessarily. Dad was 85 when he complained that the staff at the local ZKB were ALL teenagers. Mum then informed me that most of those teenagers were between 30 and 55 years old. But a 98 years old uncle in Geneva, NOT dementia-ridden but mentally and physically well off, regarded people of between 70 and 80 as Young People

another aging uncle, the one in Hyères-Toulon, when I went with the also 98 years old chap to his preferred Bistro, made it plainly clear that he loved to be with YOUNG People. Well, the Youngster around were between 35 and 70


All is a matter of perspective, and fairly relative. To quote my cousin in Geneva who told her granddad für Dich mag er ein junger Mann sein, für uns beide aber ist er schon eher ein älterer Herr (Opa still spoke the German of Pressburg)

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Re: Swiss Rudeness

Not sure I understand why Swiss are like this and why being rude or not friendly is what you see first. It does take time to wear down this and I have found that I just 'kill them with kindness' no matter what. I always smile (as I am from the midwest of the United States and we always greet each other with friendly smiles) and I will always say hello. There is not excuse that can be written here that will help me understand why anyone once can be so rude. Sorry you had to experience this and am sad for the check out lady that really needs to figure it out! Life is way to short to be so unhappy.
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Not necessarily. Dad was 85 when he complained that the staff at the local ZKB were ALL teenagers. Mum then informed me that most of those teenagers were between 30 and 55 years old. But a 98 years old uncle in Geneva, NOT dementia-ridden but mentally and physically well off, regarded people of between 70 and 80 as Young People

another aging uncle, the one in Hyères-Toulon, when I went with the also 98 years old chap to his preferred Bistro, made it plainly clear that he loved to be with YOUNG People. Well, the Youngster around were between 35 and 70


All is a matter of perspective, and fairly relative. To quote my cousin in Geneva who told her granddad für Dich mag er ein junger Mann sein, für uns beide aber ist er schon eher ein älterer Herr (Opa still spoke the German of Pressburg)
Wolli, it's not necessarily the age, it's a state of mind. It's more like reaching misanthropy than xenophobia....and not all "old" people are like that. In fact most (I should hope) aren't.
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