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Old 21.11.2006, 16:51
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Re: Swiss Rudeness

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They stand in a scrum at the tram or elevator doors making it next to impossible to get off. WTF is that all about? Do they honestly believe that this tram/elevator is going anywhere until I get off?
lol
I know!!! I commented once to my husband about that.
like, why are they barracading the doors? we get OFF, then they get ON.....no? seems simple enough. not here I guess.
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Old 21.11.2006, 16:57
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Re: Swiss Rudeness

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lol
I know!!! I commented once to my husband about that.
like, why are they barracading the doors? we get OFF, then they get ON.....no? seems simple enough. not here I guess.
hahaha
you can call me Mr Search:
Buses, Trams and Trains + Coop.

I have to say that I don't know what day it is but can remember this stuff exists!!!
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Old 21.11.2006, 17:16
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you can call me Mr Search:
www.englishforum.ch/transportation-driving/416-buses-trams-trains-coop.html

I have to say that I don't know what day it is but can remember this stuff exists!!!
you are indeed Mr. Search!!!
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Old 21.11.2006, 18:11
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Re: Swiss Rudeness

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So next time I'll just tell the woman to <Anglo Saxon phrase involving sex and travel> - just so I'm not being superficially friendly.
I thought that's how you were being friendly, Nick.
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Old 21.11.2006, 19:20
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Re: Swiss Rudeness

Think Benny Hill here a mo to get the right ambiance cue music...
So I go into my friendly Manor restaurant ,not mentioning any names here of course....capuccino svp<smile on face>
roll of eyes from server ..., then given 2 small beers!!!... <Benny Hill looks of disbelief from me>.... "I ordered a cappucino?" more roll of eyes accompanied by a heavy sigh of someone that is utterly fed up with having to serve morons like me all day..a sort of female Basil Fawlty..."its his accent" she snarls to her sympathetic co worker...<more Benny Hill looks from me>...cue the theme music im outa here.......da da da dup
points of interest:
1.They are not Swiss
2.They are thick
3.They dont know benny hill
4.Any sense of humour they had has been confiscated at the border
5.They hate all foreigners
6. They are foreigners
7. And how the f... does "capuccino" sound like "deux petites bieres"
help!!!!
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Re: Swiss Rudeness

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Think Benny Hill here a mo to get the right ambiance cue music...
So I go into my friendly Manor restaurant ,not mentioning any names here of course....capuccino svp<smile on face>
roll of eyes from server ..., then given 2 small beers!!!... <Benny Hill looks of disbelief from me>.... "I ordered a cappucino?" more roll of eyes accompanied by a heavy sigh of someone that is utterly fed up with having to serve morons like me all day..a sort of female Basil Fawlty..."its his accent" she snarls to her sympathetic co worker...<more Benny Hill looks from me>...cue the theme music im outa here.......da da da dup
points of interest:
1.They are not Swiss
2.They are thick
3.They dont know benny hill
4.Any sense of humour they had has been confiscated at the border
5.They hate all foreigners
6. They are foreigners
7. And how the f... does "capuccino" sound like "deux petites bieres"
help!!!!
hahahahaaa...u rock it
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Old 21.11.2006, 21:19
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Re: Swiss Rudeness

I've been lurking in these forums for some time now and every time I've read the complaints corner I wasn't sure if I'm living in the same Switzerland as some of the other people here.

I must say that I rarely encountered the "Swiss" mentality and never ever had a problem with someone being rude. Sure, they didn't always go out of their way just to help me, but in 95% of the time, the swiss seemed to be a really polite folk to me and I got what I wanted. The people at the local authorities have always smiled at me and took their time to explain all the forms to me in proper german (or english if I really didn't know what was going on), in restaurants the waitresses patiently explained what the swiss specialities are about and I can't remember any occurence when someone would bump into me and not apologize (or god forbid do it on purpose...).

A really glaring display of how the swiss can be polite and helpful was when I forgot to take my wallet with myself and went to a restaurant. When I was about to pay, I noticed my shameful situation and asked the waiter if it was OK for me to drive home to get money, I told him that it would take around an hour for me to get back. Lo and behold! The waiter smiled and said that of course it would be no problem, he also refused to take any ID from me as a reassurance that I would return. All of this happened on a busy sunday in Rapperswil. I'm sure he neglected at least 50 house rules in that restaurant...

Real swiss ought to avoid confrontation, how does that go together with deliberately trying to generate conflicts by bumping into people?

You should avoid generalization; how do you know if the person bumping into you is really swiss? Every fourth person in Zurich is a foreigner, you have a reasonably good chance bumping into an asshat from the UK, US, Canada or Kazachstan if that matters. There are idiots in every country and if one is looking for them, they will inevitably find many.
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Old 21.11.2006, 21:32
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Re: Swiss Rudeness

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They stand in a scrum at the tram or elevator doors making it next to impossible to get off. WTF is that all about? Do they honestly believe that this tram/elevator is going anywhere until I get off?
it is odd I had the same experience tonight in Basel again. I was waiting for my tram with my overnight luggage and laptop bag under heavy rain and being a petite woman myself, they are quite chunky.. and guess what I have mised the first tram that showed up because people were blocking the entire way to get in and refusing to move .. apologies Ihave lived in UK and US for a while but there people actually help you to put your luggage up the tram/tube forget about blocking your way ..and I am in this country for 6 years and the fact that they have no "gentelmanly" attitude kills me. Apologies but yes I expect the people hold the doors if I am carrying things; I expect them to help me to get on the train with my luggage since this is basic courtesy ; this is what the men in my family do ..

sorry maybe I just had a rough day today. just wanted to get it out of my chest ... now back to catching up with my episodes of Lost ..

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Old 21.11.2006, 21:45
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Re: Swiss Rudeness

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I've been lurking in these forums for some time now and every time I've read the complaints corner I wasn't sure if I'm living in the same Switzerland as some of the other people here.

I must say that I rarely encountered the "Swiss" mentality and never ever had a problem with someone being rude. Sure, they didn't always go out of their way just to help me, but in 95% of the time, the swiss seemed to be a really polite folk to me and I got what I wanted. The people at the local authorities have always smiled at me and took their time to explain all the forms to me in proper german (or english if I really didn't know what was going on), in restaurants the waitresses patiently explained what the swiss specialities are about and I can't remember any occurence when someone would bump into me and not apologize (or god forbid do it on purpose...).

A really glaring display of how the swiss can be polite and helpful was when I forgot to take my wallet with myself and went to a restaurant. When I was about to pay, I noticed my shameful situation and asked the waiter if it was OK for me to drive home to get money, I told him that it would take around an hour for me to get back. Lo and behold! The waiter smiled and said that of course it would be no problem, he also refused to take any ID from me as a reassurance that I would return. All of this happened on a busy sunday in Rapperswil. I'm sure he neglected at least 50 house rules in that restaurant...

Real swiss ought to avoid confrontation, how does that go together with deliberately trying to generate conflicts by bumping into people?

You should avoid generalization; how do you know if the person bumping into you is really swiss? Every fourth person in Zurich is a foreigner, you have a reasonably good chance bumping into an asshat from the UK, US, Canada or Kazachstan if that matters. There are idiots in every country and if one is looking for them, they will inevitably find many.
WOW... finally someone else that has had the same nice experiences with the Swiss as I have. I was beginning to think that my situation was unique.
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Old 22.11.2006, 10:02
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Re: Swiss Rudeness

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WOW... finally someone else that has had the same nice experiences with the Swiss as I have. I was beginning to think that my situation was unique.
If you travel through Zürich HB each day or walk down Bahnhofstrasse when it's even just busy you'll see what we mean by Swiss rudeness.

Back to topic:
Our experiences are mixed.
We find Kloten friendly, shop staff helpful etc, same in other places we visit. Zurich itself is far ruder than outlying towns we find.

Also, the "Grüezi" etc is not good manners per se - it's a ritual or habit that can mask the rudeness.

Answering the OP:
You've asked something that is outside their little box, outside their comfort zone, outside the rules.
You've asked them to use initiative and think for themselves. Bugger!!
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Old 22.11.2006, 11:13
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Re: Swiss Rudeness

my experiences have also all been in Zurich, nowhere else.
when we head to Chur to visit him mom and friends, I have not once encountered any *rude* behaviour, at least not on the level I experience walking around Zurich everyday. I come from Toronto, pop. 3million approx....and I appreciate a "pardon me" if someone literally plows into me with the force of a small tractor.

but maybe that's just me. either way, I'm getting used to it. I guess that's a good thing? or not?

(I would like to add, that not EVERYONE has acted like this, of course I have had some very nice dealings with people but this isn't what the thread is about)
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Re: Swiss Rudeness

So we really should change this thread topic to "Zurich Stadt Rudeness". We'd have Swiss from all the other Kantons in agreeance as well
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Old 22.11.2006, 12:39
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Re: Swiss Rudeness

haha

ya, so I've been told...not very well liked are they?
(at least from what I've heard)
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Old 22.11.2006, 13:15
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Re: Swiss Rudeness

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If you travel through Zürich HB each day or walk down Bahnhofstrasse when it's even just busy you'll see what we mean by Swiss rudeness.
And here you exactly make the same mistake I already pointed out. How do you know if those people are Swiss? Are you capable of seeing people's nationality-aura? Bahnhofstr is a melting pot where I can even imagine the swiss being the minority. In every bigger city I've been to (never been in the US though), the situation on the most busy street was exactly the same: lots of people roaming around, seemingly mindlessly and not really caring to be polite.
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Old 22.11.2006, 13:24
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And here you exactly make the same mistake I already pointed out. How do you know if those people are Swiss? Are you capable of seeing people's nationality-aura? Bahnhofstr is a melting pot where I can even imagine the swiss being the minority. In every bigger city I've been to (never been in the US though), the situation on the most busy street was exactly the same: lots of people roaming around, seemingly mindlessly and not really caring to be polite.
Talking in Swiss German? Dressing "Swiss".
And even they aren't Swiss, they're acting Swiss.

Its worse than London.
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Old 22.11.2006, 13:34
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Talking in Swiss German? Dressing "Swiss".
And even they aren't Swiss, they're acting Swiss.
Were they yodelling as well
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Re: Swiss Rudeness

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Talking in Swiss German? Dressing "Swiss".
And even they aren't Swiss, they're acting Swiss.

Yeah its the trees the air ,the buildings the climate, the people, the hills, the mountains, the cows etc when youre in Swizzland you act Swiss ,why even when I get in those hills and all that green grass I just run every where like a new born lamb singing "The Hills are alive......

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Re: Swiss Rudeness

Amazing! all the years I have lived here I thought it was happening to me alone coz am African. At times I got to a point of buying white paint and just paint myself inorder to fit it. Am suprised that even foreign europeans are complaining. It doesnt bother me anymore from the time my husband told me not to worry coz its them with a problem not me.
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Re: Swiss Rudeness

Hey I'm australian and I'm whiter than sour cream. And I hardly have an accent either. Sometimes people say they can hear a bit of an accent when I speak german, but that's a rare thing. Which makes it really hard to understand that when I go to the local store (Volg) people never move when I say ''excuse me''.

Like today, I had to go buy Pizza and Coca Cola for my sister my mum and I, and as soon as I get to the entrance there are these two women chatting happily right in the doorway. No I'm not kidding, they were literally standing in the entrance, making it very hard for anyone to actually get in or out of the shop. So I politely and in a very audiable volume asked them to please excuse me. No, why bother quickly moving away from the entrance -where they shouldn't be standing anyway- for the girl who politely asked them to?

So I asked again, politer and louder. No. It was as thought I wasn't there. For a few seconds I imagined how it would be if I was armed with a blow torch, but then I just decided to squeeze past. But of course, I earned myself a couple of filthy looks with that, because I was being rude....

By the time I left the store, the women had moved out of the way and were now talking about how rude those foreigner children are these days, and how they should be grateful that they can live in this country.

Hey! My dad is Swiss! Which means, by law, I'm Swiss too, even if I don't feel it. Ever.

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Re: Swiss Rudeness

After reading all about rude Swiss, I thought I had found a nice local the other day. I was just about to get on to a bus in the town (not a city what ever they say) centre and this guy comes up to me and asks something in German.

I smiled, said 'sorry, I don't speak german'.

To my amazement he smiles as well and asks me the way to the station in English. Typical, turns out he is an American visiting SG....

Such a friendly chap, it was probably someone off EF....
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