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Old 17.01.2007, 21:37
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Old 17.01.2007, 22:46
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Maybe it's a cutural thing. In spain for example all the social norms that english people take for granted seem to be missing. People don't say please or thank you or sorry or excuse me a great deal. Spanish people don't think it's rude. Could I suggest that it is rude to come to a country and expect them to conform to your social norms.
I look at it this way - I don't do things which make me uncomfortable. Even if they're from my own culture, much less from another.

That being said, think about immigrants into your home country. Do you expect them to fill every cultural norm, or do you allow them their quirks and oddities from their home country? Most people where I am from allow for those quirks - believing that it is part of what adds to the person and their personality. No need to make ourselves conform like a chameleon if we're not comfortable doing it.
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I dont think the swiss are rude at all,infact most of them are over polite if you are polite to them.
I have oftan found here that they are more polite to me when I tell them I am english, because of my accent when I am speaking swiss german thay sometimes think I am from holland.
Where I live its anyway 30% foreigner so if someone is rude in the train station or busy shop ,I got no idea where they come from.
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Its worse than London.
Oh - I have to respectfully disagree! I have never encountered more generalized rudeness in a city than I did while living in London.

Zurich has been unbelievably considerate by comparison. Sure, occasionally I've encountered bunches of people trying to crowd on the train before we get off and the other things mentioned here (although I can't recall really getting bumped into much, maybe once or twice on an escalator in the HB but still nothing on the scale of London). But those have been occasional things, whereas my experience in London was it was the rule. We are loving it here by comparison. And as for greutzi, there's nothing cuter to my ears than my 2 year old saying it to everyone she meets, because she's learned it from the greetings we've exchanged as we walk. She takes genuine delight in greeting people, which puts a smile on my face and usually the face of those passing. Maybe it is ritual but many times for us it is a sincere exchange of freindly greetings, and just one more thing that I like about living here.
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Re: Swiss Rudeness

Au contraire! I was in a bar (All Bar One) in New Oxford Street, and occupying a podium table for four with my beer. Two young ladies came up and asked if I minded if they could just leave their drinks on the table. Not even occupy the spare seats. Half an hour later they left and someone on the opposite side asked if they could put their coat on one of the seats at "my" table. Ok there is a bit of table-culture at work here, but I had really forgotten how polite people are in the UK.

As regards bumping: on the tube I heard "after you" said more than once when the doors opened.

On the busy city streets itself the pedestrain traffic moves fast and there is weaving, ducking and diving and very little evidence of we-shall-not-be-moved trajectories.

London always feels more of a City than Zürich. It may not be as quaint in the centre or have such a small-town feel, but if you stop long enough to engage some people in conversation anywhere in London except Leicester square, the protective googles lift, and a warmer reception you could not hope for, no matter where you are from.

I don't agree with many of the accusations of rudeness in Switzerland, the manners are different. The manners are different in London too, but I tend to prefer the un-necessary apology and deference to stoic formality.

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Oh - I have to respectfully disagree! I have never encountered more generalized rudeness in a city than I did while living in London.

Zurich has been unbelievably considerate by comparison. Sure, occasionally I've encountered bunches of people trying to crowd on the train before we get off and the other things mentioned here (although I can't recall really getting bumped into much, maybe once or twice on an escalator in the HB but still nothing on the scale of London). But those have been occasional things, whereas my experience in London was it was the rule. We are loving it here by comparison. And as for greutzi, there's nothing cuter to my ears than my 2 year old saying it to everyone she meets, because she's learned it from the greetings we've exchanged as we walk. She takes genuine delight in greeting people, which puts a smile on my face and usually the face of those passing. Maybe it is ritual but many times for us it is a sincere exchange of freindly greetings, and just one more thing that I like about living here.
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Re: Swiss Rudeness

I've tried to buck the trend today.

I was luck enough when entering the post office at Zurich station today to happen upon a queue which was moving very quickly - next to a queue which was blocked.

So it came to be my turn at the window and I offered that spot to the young girl who was going to switch queues before I arrived. She looked shocked.

After she was done, I then let the older lady in too.

They both smiled and were happy. I told them in German that "we were all lucky today" and they smiled even more.

But they must've guessed I was a foreigner
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Old 18.01.2007, 17:31
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I dont think the swiss are rude at all,infact most of them are over polite if you are polite to them.
I have to say my experience disagrees.

I was in a large grocery store today. I was standing and looking at the shampoo. Behind me was a pallet with merchandise that was being stocked. As I'm looking, a woman comes up and she wants to go on past me, so says excuse me and I stepped out from between the pallet and the shelf to let her though. When she was done, she tried to go back past me again. I refused, and told her to go the other way. She told me, quite nastily, that her cart was back there and that's the way she wanted to go. I told her to go around the pallet and then studied some shampoo I had no intention of buying.

She's probably bitching how rude I am to her friends, but asking someone to take several steps out of their way - when they're looking at something - just for your convenience when you could have taken a couple of steps more and gone around the pallet too is just rude.
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Re: Swiss Rudeness

Does the crowding at the exits of trains have anything to do with pick-pockets? It happened to us in Prague and my dad got off the tram without his wallet and our holiday money
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Does the crowding at the exits of trains have anything to do with pick-pockets? It happened to us in Prague and my dad got off the tram without his wallet and our holiday money
Usually it's just inconsiderate behaviour on the part of the passengers. People just rush for straight for the exit without a care for anyone else, causing a big clump of people all straining to get to the exit.

Then you quite often get idiots who decided to stand/sit at the exit door even though they're not getting off at that stop. Plus there's always the fool who takes one step off of the train and immediately stops dead on the platform to light a cig, fumble for something in his pockets or just ponder something.


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Old 07.02.2007, 12:24
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I have to say my experience disagrees.

I was in a large grocery store today. I was standing and looking at the shampoo. Behind me was a pallet with merchandise that was being stocked. As I'm looking, a woman comes up and she wants to go on past me, so says excuse me and I stepped out from between the pallet and the shelf to let her though. When she was done, she tried to go back past me again. I refused, and told her to go the other way. She told me, quite nastily, that her cart was back there and that's the way she wanted to go. I told her to go around the pallet and then studied some shampoo I had no intention of buying.

She's probably bitching how rude I am to her friends, but asking someone to take several steps out of their way - when they're looking at something - just for your convenience when you could have taken a couple of steps more and gone around the pallet too is just rude.
Just saw this post .... Yes, that's something that struck me as strange in Switzerland. People just decide to go from point A to point B with no regard of the best or most considerate way to do it.

If you're in the way on their chosen path they make no effort to think "Maybe I should just go around this person, there's another line I could take". They either try to push past or stand there giving you the 'evil eye' in the hope you'll move. You were quite lucky this person even asked you to excuse her on the way past the first time.


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Old 07.02.2007, 12:25
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Then you quite often get idiots who decided to stand/sit at the exit door even though they're not getting off at that stop.
Often those "idiots" have no where else to go if the tram or train is full, especially at rush hour. They'd typically rather be sitting.
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Often those "idiots" have no where else to go if the tram or train is full, especially at rush hour. They'd typically rather be sitting.
The ones I'm talking about seemed to prefer to sit/stand at the exit regardless of whether the train was full or empty. A particularly annoying sort were those who liked to sit on the steps between the two decks of the Zuerich S-Bahns causing a real hazard for people using them on their way in/out.

Additionally, it makes sense that if you're stuck at the exit because the train is full, you get off at the stop and get back on once the people behind you have got off.

Also, it would seem reasonable that if you were standing in the exit door area and people get off, you move in to take their seats instead of blocking it for the people getting on the train. Almost every time I got my train at rush hour I had to squeeze past people with a seemingly magnetic attraction to the exit doors on my way to the free seats inside. These same people were standing there blocking the path of people trying to disembark earlier.


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A while ago, I was in an Orange store in the city of Bern with my girlfriend. She had just chosen a phone to buy on a new contract. Both salesmen were occupied with other customers and we were waiting for one of them to finish up. We were standing a couple of metres away from the counters and there were very clearly about 4 or 5 people waiting in a queue behind us.

As one of the salesmen became free, a large, buff, facist looking man walked from another section of the shop with his woman, straight in front of us, and up to the counter. I was just thinking about how rude that was and of this thread when he slapped his C-Permit down onto the counter!
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A while ago, I was in an Orange store in the city of Bern with my girlfriend. She had just chosen a phone to buy on a new contract. Both salesmen were occupied with other customers and we were waiting for one of them to finish up. We were standing a couple of metres away from the counters and there were very clearly about 4 or 5 people waiting in a queue behind us.

As one of the salesmen became free, a large, buff, facist looking man walked from another section of the shop with his woman, straight in front of us, and up to the counter. I was just thinking about how rude that was and of this thread when he slapped his C-Permit down onto the counter!
There was a discussion about queues on here before --> Queues!!!!!!
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Honestly this is when you walk away. The reason people are not rude in service positions in the rest of the world is because the customer has power vs. the employee in question.

If anyone is rude to you here, just walk away. It works 100x better than grovelling to them. They might even learn how to be polite in the future!
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I have to say my experience disagrees.

I was in a large grocery store today. I was standing and looking at the shampoo. Behind me was a pallet with merchandise that was being stocked. As I'm looking, a woman comes up and she wants to go on past me, so says excuse me and I stepped out from between the pallet and the shelf to let her though. When she was done, she tried to go back past me again. I refused, and told her to go the other way. She told me, quite nastily, that her cart was back there and that's the way she wanted to go. I told her to go around the pallet and then studied some shampoo I had no intention of buying.

She's probably bitching how rude I am to her friends, but asking someone to take several steps out of their way - when they're looking at something - just for your convenience when you could have taken a couple of steps more and gone around the pallet too is just rude.
Yes, totally one sided rudeness...
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So does that mean the nastiness of the Swiss is also superficial?

of course, it is like a hedgehog -- a defense--aggressivenenss


the poor Lady was just in Panic out of fear to make a mistake with the CANCELLATION which with many of those machines is a science and to get inevitable criticism from the Boss(es) about at leasst 29 violations of top important rules


in the evening, her friends and Family heard a different Story .... how she had stayed calm and not impressed by either the ugly Boss nor that rude arrogant foreigner and how she had mastered that horrible machine AND not least that this SNOB in the end thanked her


If she has a medical examination next week, they will be astonished why the Young woman has such a high blood pressure
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Honestly this is when you walk away. The reason people are not rude in service positions in the rest of the world is because the customer has power vs. the employee in question.

If anyone is rude to you here, just walk away. It works 100x better than grovelling to them. They might even learn how to be polite in the future!
Thanks for resurrecting an 8 year old thread, and for your golden words of wisdom!
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Honestly this is when you walk away. The reason people are not rude in service positions in the rest of the world is because the customer has power vs. the employee in question.

If anyone is rude to you here, just walk away. It works 100x better than grovelling to them. They might even learn how to be polite in the future!

I apparently missed the sudden Expansion of Switzerland, as rudeness of People in Service positions is what I found to be epidemic in France and Germany but also in places in Britain and places in the USA, and this so over decades.


So that the new expanded Switzerland will include colonies in the German Empire (sorry I mean Federal Republic), in France (North incl Paris), and in the New England States including New York.
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