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Helvetica, I see your first action under this nick was to start a new thread by posting a question. You got more than a couple responses, including a reference to the applicable law. All in all they are as useful as can be considering you provided zero details.

That's 4 days since now, but not a single reaction by you. Obviously you don't have enough posts yet so no "Thanks" button, but why didn't post there and thank the posters verbally?

And yet here you go complaining about swiss rudeness. Take a look in the mirror instead.
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Not Swiss rudeness but Swiss slowness gets on my nerves. I can be cheeky and rude back to them if they upset me but there is no way I can be as slow as they sometimes are.
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Not Swiss rudeness but Swiss slowness gets on my nerves. I can be cheeky and rude back to them if they upset me but there is no way I can be as slow as they sometimes are.

Examples of slowness please.
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Not Swiss rudeness but Swiss slowness gets on my nerves. I can be cheeky and rude back to them if they upset me but there is no way I can be as slow as they sometimes are.
This is exactly in line with my experience here. Swiss people do not tolerate ANYTHING that even slightly displeases them and will get very rude and aggressive about it, but they go right ahead and do the exact thing they can't seem to tolerate from other people themselves. It's absolutely baffling.. are they aware of the double standard that exists in their minds?
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This is exactly in line with my experience here. Swiss people do not tolerate ANYTHING that even slightly displeases them and will get very rude and aggressive about it, but they go right ahead and do the exact thing they can't seem to tolerate from other people themselves. It's absolutely baffling.. are they aware of the double standard that exists in their minds?
How long have you been in Switzerland?

I do not agree on the rudeness, slowness oh yes
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This is exactly in line with my experience here. Swiss people do not tolerate ANYTHING that even slightly displeases them and will get very rude and aggressive about it, but they go right ahead and do the exact thing they can't seem to tolerate from other people themselves. It's absolutely baffling.. are they aware of the double standard that exists in their minds?

You sound like a right bundle of fun and lightness.
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fwiw, my 5Rp worth: I think the whole concept of (misunderstanding) rudeness is a cultural thing and finding the Swiss to be ruder than other nationalities is merely not understanding Swiss culture very well.
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This is exactly in line with my experience here. Swiss people do not tolerate ANYTHING that even slightly displeases them and will get very rude and aggressive about it, but they go right ahead and do the exact thing they can't seem to tolerate from other people themselves. It's absolutely baffling.. are they aware of the double standard that exists in their minds?
That's OK; I don't tolerate twats either.
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fwiw, my 5Rp worth: I think the whole concept of (misunderstanding) rudeness is a cultural thing and finding the Swiss to be ruder than other nationalities is merely not understanding Swiss culture very well.
I (and most other Europeans), used to believe that the indigenous African folk in South Africa were very rude people ....... they would sit when approached by anyone of "higher" standing than themselves, like the boss at work, a potential employer, an official/dignitary, etc - instead of standing (european action showing respect).

When offered a drink, they`d down it in one gulp (!) instead of sipping.
They were "savages"with no culture was the general european thought.

Then it was explained (to those asking) .......... In their own culture they are taught to "lower" themselves as a sign of respect.... to sit. Only the "higher" person stands.

To keep sipping at a drink is a sign of rudeness, *selfishness*, and simply bad manners! In their own culture tribal members would pass around the communal drink (in a calabash gourd) and it had to be emptied so it could be wiped down and refilled for the next person.
Being offered an individual small glass of drink was not understood, but they still thought it polite to finish it in a gulp. Of course they got very drunk, and could not understand the european way - Europeans were SO uncultured!

So, those who were not long in european communities tried their best to behave well, but only offended, and were mis-understood...... by these uncultured, rude Europeans!

Aahhhh the clashing of the cultures. Unless one takes the time to find out WHY things are done, one will always think the other is wrong.
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fwiw, my 5Rp worth: I think the whole concept of (misunderstanding) rudeness is a cultural thing and finding the Swiss to be ruder than other nationalities is merely not understanding Swiss culture very well.
Since my German's improved, I've discovered that what I'd previously interpreted as simply being sour faced was, in many cases, a wonderfully dry sense of humour.

Now I get it, I love it!
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Since my German's improved, I've discovered that what I'd previously interpreted as simply being sour faced was, in many cases, a wonderfully dry sense of humour.

Now I get it, I love it!
Great isn't it.
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I completely agree to Hell Vetica’s words. Our family had been living in Switzerland for 3 years working for one of the biggest international corporations headquartered in CH. One of us is EU another one is a non-EU citizen. We spent 2 years in Zug and the third year we lived in Zurich. Before Switzerland we had an experience of staying in different countries( not in 2-3 ones). For us Switzerland one of the most unpleasant countries in the world and mostly because of an incredible level of rudeness=aggression we met here. Of course, people are different but a tendency we noticed was negative. The most hard time was in Zug: shop assistants could ignore your German, people in the streets ignored or laughed at an addressing to them in English, we met about 6-7 medical specialists in different areas and their “professionalism” was pretty poor although they had just an excellent equipment. Example: extracting of wisdom teeth without proper anaesthesia(local), tears, more and more helpless injections and doctor’s words:”Next time would be better for you to do it at the hospital with the general anaesthesia because it’s not comfortable for the doctor to work in such conditions”(!). Allergy.3 months of waiting for an appointment and daily pain, yawning doctor in front of us, “we don’t understand the symptoms, just take the steroids”. Villager’s mentality(you are a stranger=you are an enemy) we observed in details and very often. One example. Our Swiss landlady refused to stop cleaners pouring down a dirty water to our car parked on a rented site: “your problems” and shifted into Swiss German speaking with the cleaners about “these awful foreigners”(we were not so awful on the days of payments : )), some months later she needed some help from us including a translation to her potential English-speaking clients, and having got the polite ”your problems now” she started shouting like a mad threatening us to call to police etc. The Swiss law was on our side at that time but guess what? She chose the time we were abroad and had visited our apartment. After a call from police and our lawer’s letter all she could do just to insist on a translator’s presence during the last inspection(it didn’t even occur her mind that having a business with foreigners be ready to resolve own difficulties on your own : )) Anyway, Zurich was much better and people there were more friendly(like at any city seen different cultures) till the process of deregistration(in Zurich Stadthaus) : )) when we met a lady extremely strange even for the Swiss culture. On our question would we be able to use a permit crossing borders between CH-France-UK having make a deregistration in advance we got about ten pretty aggressive comments like “with such a passport it’s a problem to get visa almost to any European country/ your country has to think about crossing such borders not us/maybe one day you’ll get the same EU passport and then…/our permit is for staying in CH not for crossing the border”. We: “what’s your name, please”. Sudden silence and then “I shall not give you my name, why?” We: “We are in a state institution, you served us, we would like to know your name” Her: “I feel you are not happy with my reply, I try to be friendly but you…etc” “Sorry, we are not going to discuss our relations, what is the name of your supervisor then?” 30 sec of the dead silence and…we got 180 degree different attitude including a nice chat about everything. And that change looked so pitiful and she got really so coward that we didn’t call the head of the department having seen enough humiliation of her. We planned spent a night in France on the way to England but, you know, we changed plans, tickets, got last ferry and about 2 am were at our English home. English border officer looked at us, smiled and said not asking about anything “Well, are you fed up with Switzerland?Welcome back!” And we all laughed out: ) Please sorry for the massive text – examples : )
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I completely agree to Hell Vetica’s words. Our family had been living in Switzerland for 3 years working for one of the biggest international corporations headquartered in CH. One of us is EU another one is a non-EU citizen. We spent 2 years in Zug and the third year we lived in Zurich. Before Switzerland we had an experience of staying in different countries( not in 2-3 ones). For us Switzerland one of the most unpleasant countries in the world and mostly because of an incredible level of rudeness=aggression we met here. Of course, people are different but a tendency we noticed was negative. The most hard time was in Zug: shop assistants could ignore your German, people in the streets ignored or laughed at an addressing to them in English, we met about 6-7 medical specialists in different areas and their “professionalism” was pretty poor although they had just an excellent equipment. Example: extracting of wisdom teeth without proper anaesthesia(local), tears, more and more helpless injections and doctor’s words:”Next time would be better for you to do it at the hospital with the general anaesthesia because it’s not comfortable for the doctor to work in such conditions”(!). Allergy.3 months of waiting for an appointment and daily pain, yawning doctor in front of us, “we don’t understand the symptoms, just take the steroids”. Villager’s mentality(you are a stranger=you are an enemy) we observed in details and very often. One example. Our Swiss landlady refused to stop cleaners pouring down a dirty water to our car parked on a rented site: “your problems” and shifted into Swiss German speaking with the cleaners about “these awful foreigners”(we were not so awful on the days of payments : )), some months later she needed some help from us including a translation to her potential English-speaking clients, and having got the polite ”your problems now” she started shouting like a mad threatening us to call to police etc. The Swiss law was on our side at that time but guess what? She chose the time we were abroad and had visited our apartment. After a call from police and our lawer’s letter all she could do just to insist on a translator’s presence during the last inspection(it didn’t even occur her mind that having a business with foreigners be ready to resolve own difficulties on your own : )) Anyway, Zurich was much better and people there were more friendly(like at any city seen different cultures) till the process of deregistration(in Zurich Stadthaus) : )) when we met a lady extremely strange even for the Swiss culture. On our question would we be able to use a permit crossing borders between CH-France-UK having make a deregistration in advance we got about ten pretty aggressive comments like “with such a passport it’s a problem to get visa almost to any European country/ your country has to think about crossing such borders not us/maybe one day you’ll get the same EU passport and then…/our permit is for staying in CH not for crossing the border”. We: “what’s your name, please”. Sudden silence and then “I shall not give you my name, why?” We: “We are in a state institution, you served us, we would like to know your name” Her: “I feel you are not happy with my reply, I try to be friendly but you…etc” “Sorry, we are not going to discuss our relations, what is the name of your supervisor then?” 30 sec of the dead silence and…we got 180 degree different attitude including a nice chat about everything. And that change looked so pitiful and she got really so coward that we didn’t call the head of the department having seen enough humiliation of her. We planned spent a night in France on the way to England but, you know, we changed plans, tickets, got last ferry and about 2 am were at our English home. English border officer looked at us, smiled and said not asking about anything “Well, are you fed up with Switzerland?Welcome back!” And we all laughed out: ) Please sorry for the massive text – examples : )
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sorry to be rude, but you're asking for it
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I completely agree to Hell Vetica’s words. Our family had been living in Switzerland for 3 years working ....
Are you perhaps confusing the Swiss for someone who owes you something?

In many places, people are extremely nice to you because they want something from you, or want to con you for something. I'm think Las Vegas Valet Parking attendant, a waiter working for tips, or a used cars salesman. But perhaps the Swiss don't want anything from you, and could care less because they may not even like you. That's fair, isn't it?
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I am a tad confused here. You never contributed to EF whilst you lived in Switzerland for 3 years- and now you've gone back to UK - and you come back to just post this? Bizarre, no

But I am so glad you are now back in Paradise, lol. How on earth did the guy at the UK customs realise you'd been living in Switzerland- I'd love to know.
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I am a tad confused here. You never contributed to EF whilst you lived in Switzerland for 3 years- and now you've gone back to UK - and you come back to just post this? Bizarre, no

But I am so glad you are now back in Paradise, lol. How on earth did the guy at the UK customs realise you'd been living in Switzerland- I'd love to know.


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