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Old 09.06.2015, 20:54
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Oh dear, move number 15 coming up...

I have lived in Murten at 5 addresses, in Bern at 5 apartments, and one each in Bulle, Aubonne, Geneva, & Avenches. So probably moved more than 9 times eh?
Why do you move so often? Anyways, that probably explains why you can manage without the help of a cleaning company..
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1500chf seem too much to me too. We just moved out of our 2 bedroom apartment (100sqm) and paid about 850chf. We got the caretaker of the whole house to do it. He was an official cleaner and the landlord knew him so it made the process easier. Maybe you can ask yours (if you have one) to see if they offer the service too.


Happy moving!
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Re: Exit Cleaning costs....HOW MUCH !!!???

We were quoted 1000 for 80sqm - so different from london when pushing a quick hoover around and putting some bleach in the loo was enough!
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I find that terrible , if the Coop and Migros were to stock the correct level of cleaning products then we wouldn't have this huge additional cost....just a money spinner in my eyes......
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We are moving back the UK shortly and have obtained quotes for the final apartment cleaning .....how picky are these people that it costs 1500 CHF to clean a 2 bed apartment.....?

Ridiculous.....Switzerland is bonkers !
Exactly, it is indeed a money spinner and simply absurd.

When I moved out of my first rented apartment myself a long time ago now, I simply cleaned it myself using my normal everyday cleaning products (purchased abroad), so it didn't cost anything extra and took less than an hour. I would never pay all of that money to a company who send 1 or 2 individuals to flick a duster around, have a cigarette on the balcony and then pop off home, swiping anything left behind by the departing tenant.

All this hiring a firm and paying Fr. 1'500.-- makes no sense, it's throwing money away and is absolutely bonkers.
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Old 02.07.2015, 19:09
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All this hiring a firm and paying Fr. 1'500.-- makes no sense, it's throwing money away and is absolutely bonkers.
Right up until the point where the management comes and says "nope, not clean enough!", hires their own people and you lose your deposit
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Right up until the point where the management comes and says "nope, not clean enough!", hires their own people and you lose your deposit
Isn't the deposit just for repairs for things you have damaged or broken during your stay?

Just saying it is not clean enough for their liking is simply a way of them making money by trying to charge you!

Fortunately personally I only once needed to clean a flat before handing back the keys, I did it myself and nothing more was said about it.

The deposit is in an account which is blocked, they can't withdraw money out of it, not even for repairs, unless both sides agree (you and the landlord/property management).
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Re: Exit Cleaning costs....HOW MUCH !!!???

Basel: I paid 900 CHF for 80 sqm, but I was generous with the number of hours for the cleaning lady who did that all over two and a half day so that she has decent working conditions, it's physically exhausting to clean all those little hidden places. I had the chance to talk to her without the boss, so we could agree to be both happy.

Frankly, it's worth every Rappen. The lady had a lot to do because she knew how pedantic they are when they control.
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Re: Exit Cleaning costs....HOW MUCH !!!???

I've noticed some much cheaper prices on groupon for checkout cleaning, somewhere in the region of 400chf which is a lot less than the original quote
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checkout cleaning, somewhere in the region of 400chf
That's really very little money for an exhausting job. I understand some people do have to cut the costs, but if people CAN pay the price without getting ripped off either, I think it is a decent thing to pay work at a decent wage.
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I wouldn't worry about it, once you're gone it's not your issue any longer.

Just seems a bit extreme to be worrying about minor details at this stage.
When I saw the title, I thought exactly the same thing! Worrying!
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Old 02.07.2015, 23:14
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Isn't the deposit just for repairs for things you have damaged or broken during your stay?
No, it is for damages which includes the cleanliness of the flat. As you state further down in your post, both parties do indeed have to agree for the money to be released by the bank, but if you don't agree, know that the agency/landlord can take you straight to arbitration and fight for that money, and that he can use your disagreement and a pending legal case to keep the money in the bank for up to a year after the end of your lease.

And if you end up disagreeing in arbitration, the person who started the procedure can take it to the higher-up courts. Arbitration is free, but court isn't.

As I'm sure you'd rather spend your money wisely, if you clean the flat yourself, bring someone from the renter's assoc. to the handover. Of course, membership at the renter's assoc. can come in very handy for a tenant, one of the reasons why it is highly recommended on this forum.

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I've noticed some much cheaper prices on groupon for checkout cleaning, somewhere in the region of 400chf which is a lot less than the original quote
Whatever you might find on groupon or wherever, know that if the cleaners don't provide you with a handover guarantee (Abnahmegarantie), meaning a written statement that they will clean until the landlord/agency representative is completely satisfied, you will end up paying more than CHF 400 for the first cleaning done by the cleaners from your source, because you will also be paying for that second (third, fourth, fifth...) cleaning if your landlord/agency representative is picky.
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Re: Exit Cleaning costs....HOW MUCH !!!???

I'm just trying to be helpful, this is the groupon link and it says acceptance garuntee for upto 35m for 399.

https://www.groupon.ch/deals/dealban...mbh-1/59338609
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Re: Exit Cleaning costs....HOW MUCH !!!???

Some Final-cleaning-inkl.-Abnahmegarantie offers from DeinDeal (and Groupon)
3.5 Room (max 80sqm) : 630 (Groupon: 699)
4.5 Room (max 120sqm):780 (Groupon: 899)
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No, it is for damages which includes the cleanliness of the flat. As you state further down in your post, both parties do indeed have to agree for the money to be released by the bank, but if you don't agree, know that the agency/landlord can take you straight to arbitration and fight for that money, and that he can use your disagreement and a pending legal case to keep the money in the bank for up to a year after the end of your lease.

And if you end up disagreeing in arbitration, the person who started the procedure can take it to the higher-up courts. Arbitration is free, but court isn't.
Good to know it is also for cleanliness, though not an issue for me now, nor then.

But I do remember that in that flat right towards then end just days before I was due to hand it back, a plastic cover over the bulb on the bathroom cabinet fell off and broke into several pieces I stuck it back up again but the landlord noticed and said he would have to find out if just the part could be replaced, in which case I would owe nothing, or if the whole cabinet had to be replaced.

We didn't agree on anything there and then, and I stated it just fell down and so was not responsible. He said "we'll have to see about the part". Anyway of course it turned out that you can't just replace the part and they changed and mounted a new cabinet. Fr. 675.--! A couple of months later a letter came informing me I could pay the amount or wait till the heating bill calculation came through which was also outstanding.

The end of year bill for the heating costs wasn't due for another 6 months and my deposit was still blocked, which was not a problem for me as I didn't need that money. I did nothing and paid nothing until the cabinet and heating bill came all in one, so I paid it, minus the Fr. 675.-- as I was certainly not paying for a new cabinet. They wrote to me enclosing another payment slip for the outstanding amount. I complained that we were never in an agreement whereby I pay for a new cabinet since I had done nothing wrong. After 25 years it had probably been there, a piece of plastic might come loose and fall after all!

By this time the full 12 months had elapsed after the end of my contract and I could prove this to the bank with a certificate of residence from my new Gemeinde. The bank wrote to the landlord informing them that I was intending to exercise my right to withdraw all of my money (plus a nice bit of interest accrued)!

The landlord wrote back protesting I owed money. But the bank immediately decided in my favour as the landlord had not started any official proceedings* to charge me the amount outstanding before 12 months had elapsed after the end of the contract and also they had not drawn up any sort of agreement whereby stating that I was responsible for damages.

I closed the account, took all of the money and never heard any more about it.

Sometimes, just sometimes, a waiting game can turn out well. 12 months was a long time, but they can also fly by!


* I assume that the landlord either has to open a Betreibung or some other legal case before 12 months have elapsed to be able to keep the account blocked even after the 12 months have elapsed, though I am not sure of the exact interpretation of the rules of these blocked deposit accounts.
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1500 at 45chfs per hour is around 33 hours of cleaning. which is within the expected time required to clean to standard.
Well, they certainly don't pay their staff that kind of money. My friend was offered to work for 17fr per hour by one of these cleaning firms, she politely declined as it would hardly cover the cost of her babysitter. But they keep looking for people who are desperate and accept to work at that price.
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Well, they certainly don't pay their staff that kind of money. My friend was offered to work for 17fr per hour by one of these cleaning firms, she politely declined as it would hardly cover the cost of her babysitter. But they keep looking for people who are desperate and accept to work at that price.
Exactly. Out of the Fr.1'500.-- charge, well over Fr.1'000.-- could easily be profit. Absurd. But as long as people are willing to keep paying such ludicrous prices, then these firms will keep charging them.
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I assume that the landlord either has to open a Betreibung or some other legal case before 12 months have elapsed to be able to keep the account blocked even after the 12 months have elapsed, though I am not sure of the exact interpretation of the rules of these blocked deposit accounts.
He has to start legal procedures before the 12 months are up.
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Wow. Do they look at the condition of the place before making the quote or is it a standard rate?

If I am a tidy person, it seems unfair for me to pay the same amount as someone who trashes the place.
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Wow. Do they look at the condition of the place before making the quote or is it a standard rate?

If I am a tidy person, it seems unfair for me to pay the same amount as someone who trashes the place.
That 100% depends on the cleaner in question. Sometimes they ask to come over for an assessment and make a quote based on that, in other cases they have lists and go from there, charge per room/depending on material of floors/number of windows/whatnot. If you want someone to come over and make a quote, call and ask for one. They might charge you if you don't hire them after the quote was made though - probably for the time it took for them to travel to your place and make the estimate.
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Re: Exit Cleaning costs....HOW MUCH !!!???

Isn't is so nice to move into an apartment set up shop and live, rather than having to clean the previous tenants' pubic hairs from around the back of a smelly toilet....

Sure the Swiss are ultra anal about cleaning, but you move into a clean apartment, ready for living.
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