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I could not agree more. But: Did you ever think about whether or not the average German-speaking Swiss feels integrated in the groups of expats that are having fun together? Pretty hard for the average German-speaking Swiss to get in touch with them. No one would chat with you even if you sit next them. Ever taken this point of view?
no one has ever accused an American of not being willing to chat up a complete stranger.

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Old 19.06.2015, 00:37
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Isn't it Zucchetti in Switzerland anyway???
Only in the German speaking part, where that term was imported from northern Italian dialects.
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Umm, my Swiss-German wife speaks no German, Swiss or otherwise.

I'm Swiss-German as well, our Heimatorts are 15km apart, albeit in different cantons. Mine is the one, appropriately enough, named for an Irish dude.

Anyway, we speak Italian, only the zucchini speak Swiss-German.

Tom

Hey Tom
Spell out the name of that canton. Love reading it.
I'm tempted to refer to your quote just a few moments ago
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as a general rule, a swiss who speaks in swiss german in the presence of new foreigners or in business settings can be ignored because his statements are not worth any attention.
Well no, the worth of the words said can only be assessed based on their meaning, not the form it takes to articulate them.

HOWEVER, from a German point of view, it is rude to speak in a broad dialect but coloured regional language is welcome. When SOME Swiss chose to insist on a hard core dialect, it is rude in a setting where German is the common language. The German reaction to rude people is often to ignore what they say, so your sentence might be the reflection of that experience. It must be clear though that the reason for ignoring statements is not their inherent worth but the rudeness in the situation of communication with German as common language. Quite a difference to your claim, I think.
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Well no, the worth of the words said can only be assessed based on their meaning, not the form it takes to articulate them.

HOWEVER, from a German point of view, it is rude to speak in a broad dialect but coloured regional language is welcome. When SOME Swiss chose to insist on a hard core dialect, it is rude in a setting where German is the common language. The German reaction to rude people is often to ignore what they say, so your sentence might be the reflection of that experience. It must be clear though that the reason for ignoring statements is not their inherent worth but the rudeness in the situation of communication with German as common language. Quite a difference to your claim, I think.
Are we in Germany?
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Old 20.06.2015, 11:59
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Are we in Germany?
Is German the common language with a mixed Swiss-nonSwiss group of people?
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Re: Speaking swiss german in presence of non-Swiss

Without trying to brag, I actually asked them to speak their language since it allowed me to learn it faster. My only request was that they'd help me when I asked. And they did this happily. As I learned more German, we made a deal that there were English days (we spoke English and I helped them) and German days (they spoke German and they helped me). Win-win!

Expecting everyone to use English just because one person doesn't understand it is unnecessarily patronizing and tends to result in the non-speaker being left out instead of being included. But that was just my experience. I wouldn't have expected people to use English just because I didn't yet understand it.
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Old 20.06.2015, 12:03
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Was für än Chabis-Fadä. Puuri iibildig, so öppis würd nie im richtige Läbe passiere. Übrigens, redet mr da ja nöd vo Chue-Schwizer sondern vo dame Choge-Ussländer. Und wenn die s Gfühl händ die gmeinsami Sprach sägi Schwizer-Dütsch, denn muess sich halt dä Neui, no Ussestehendi wo au Usländer isch schlicht und eifach aapase oder er gaht unter. Die andere händs ja au gschaft. Schlicht und eifach Sprach Darwinismus oder es Biispil vo verchnorztem Dänke, Egoismus und billiger Selbstgfälligkeit.

Could I have that in Baseldyytsch please?
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Old 20.06.2015, 12:23
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Could I have that in Baseldyytsch please?
Wos füür ään Chobys-Fodää. Puury yybyldyg, so öppys wüürd nye ym rychtyge Lääbe possyere. üübrygens, redet mr do jo nöd vo Chue-Schwyzer sondern vo dome Choge-Ussläänder. Und wenn dye s Gfüühl häänd dye gmeynsomy Sproch säägy Schwyzer-Düütsch, denn muess sych holt dää Neuy, no Ussestehendy wo ou Usläänder ysch schlycht und eyfoch oopose oder er goht unter. Dye ondere häänds jo ou gschoft. Schlycht und eyfoch Sproch Dorwynysmus oder es Byyspyl vo verchnorztem Däänke, Egoysmus und byllyger Selbstgfäällygkeyt.
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Old 20.06.2015, 12:25
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Wos füür ään Chobys-Fodää. Puury yybyldyg, so öppys wüürd nye ym rychtyge Lääbe possyere. üübrygens, redet mr do jo nöd vo Chue-Schwyzer sondern vo dome Choge-Ussläänder. Und wenn dye s Gfüühl häänd dye gmeynsomy Sproch säägy Schwyzer-Düütsch, denn muess sych holt dää Neuy, no Ussestehendy wo ou Usläänder ysch schlycht und eyfoch oopose oder er goht unter. Dye ondere häänds jo ou gschoft. Schlycht und eyfoch Sproch Dorwynysmus oder es Byyspyl vo verchnorztem Däänke, Egoysmus und byllyger Selbstgfäällygkeyt.
I'm beginning to think Basler Deutsch is related to Welsh.
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Wos füür ään Chobys-Fodää. Puury yybyldyg, so öppys wüürd nye ym rychtyge Lääbe possyere. üübrygens, redet mr do jo nöd vo Chue-Schwyzer sondern vo dome Choge-Ussläänder. Und wenn dye s Gfüühl häänd dye gmeynsomy Sproch säägy Schwyzer-Düütsch, denn muess sych holt dää Neuy, no Ussestehendy wo ou Usläänder ysch schlycht und eyfoch oopose oder er goht unter. Dye ondere häänds jo ou gschoft. Schlycht und eyfoch Sproch Dorwynysmus oder es Byyspyl vo verchnorztem Däänke, Egoysmus und byllyger Selbstgfäällygkeyt.
That was well done.
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Wos füür ään Chobys-Fodää. Puury yybyldyg, so öppys wüürd nye ym rychtyge Lääbe possyere. üübrygens, redet mr do jo nöd vo Chue-Schwyzer sondern vo dome Choge-Ussläänder. Und wenn dye s Gfüühl häänd dye gmeynsomy Sproch säägy Schwyzer-Düütsch, denn muess sych holt dää Neuy, no Ussestehendy wo ou Usläänder ysch schlycht und eyfoch oopose oder er goht unter. Dye ondere häänds jo ou gschoft. Schlycht und eyfoch Sproch Dorwynysmus oder es Byyspyl vo verchnorztem Däänke, Egoysmus und byllyger Selbstgfäällygkeyt.
That`s more like it! Baaseldütsch ùnd dütlig. Thanks for taking the trouble even though I don`t think it would pass muster by the Comité-Bängg.
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That was well done.
Just did a search and replace.
Some of the grammar may not be right as Basler-Dytsch is Low Alemannic German whereas my Züri-Dütsch is High Alemannic German.
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I'm beginning to think Basler Deutsch is related to Welsh.
Just because he put y and o everywhere doesn't make it Baseldeutsch. But it's closer than the first version.

Only Basel-city dialect the way it is conserved in the carnaval tradition is low-alemanic. The area around incl. Sundgau in Alsace and south-Schwarzwald in Germany is High alemanic.
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Just because he put y and o everywhere doesn't make it Baseldeutsch. But it's closer than the first version.

Only Basel-city dialect the way it is conserved in the carnaval tradition is low-alemanic. The area around incl. Sundgau in Alsace and south-Schwarzwald in Germany is High alemanic.
Thank you Faltrad. Just because your post was agonizingly humourless, doesn't make all Germans void of humour. The area around Bayern is known for it's knee-slapping, hand-clapping wit.
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Thank you Faltrad. Just because your post was agonizingly humourless, doesn't make all Germans void of humour.
Guess who has this as a signature:
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And for the record:
The area is actually in Bayern, not around it. But hey, wrong geography is so much fun. Is it now English humour or American humor?
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Thank you Faltrad. Just because your post was agonizingly humourless, doesn't make all Germans void of humour. The area around Bayern is known for it's knee-slapping, hand-clapping wit.
I thought the first sentence at least was rather droll.Knee-slap+ hand-clap = wit?
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Is German the common language with a mixed Swiss-nonSwiss group of people?
Theoretically, yes. Practically, on the other hand...

But please free to ignore any contributor who's working in an international company (e.g. Dow, Novartis etc) which has English as the company/official language, and hear Swiss German only at the canteen.

But they're funny, this lot. Enjoy!

P.S. Not to mention that most of those who fiercely protect the Swiss German dialects don't actually speak a word of it! Well, except Olygirl and I think crazygringo maybe.
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Is German the common language with a mixed Swiss-nonSwiss group of people?
Depends on how the group is mixed. If there are only Swiss-Germans and Germans yes. If there are other languages involved: English

and: German-German is a foreign language to us. If even we speak German-German some Germans believe its Swiss 'cause our dialect is so strong (a German even told my boss (speaking German-German) that she wasnt aware that Swiss-German was so easy to understand and she actually heard it was pretty hard to understand)..
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Is it now English humour or American humor?
s chunt druf ab - wänns luschtig isch, isch s Ami humor.



I often feel a little for my German friends living in Switzerland, since they are fully expected to understand dialect but absolutely frowned upon if they try to speak it. in this regard, it is actually easier to be an American in Switzerland, since any ability I have to understand dialect is met with a smile and any ability I have to speak dialect is met with utter astonishment. even if I speak it horribly and with a clearly American accent.

whatever empathy I might have for my German friends, however, stops the very minute they start complaining about the way our Swiss friends speak German, or when they speak negatively about dialect.
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