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They were clearing up all the tents and litter when we got there. I've got a magazine I picked up when there- just put it in recycling- with lots of photos of different yoddling groups- are you on there? (do you want me to keep it and post, if you haven't got it?).


I can assure you that I'm not the one who littered!!


Thanks, but we've got plenty of photos! I yodelled, but on the street and at bar terraces, not in concerts, with the Alpenhüttli and also with Ruedi Roth who's my coach.


All this dismantling and litter must have spoiled the village a bit, because Saas-Fee really was nice.
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We didn't let it spoil the day- what really shock me and OH, is how much the glaciers have receeded and thinned in depth since we last visited about 15 years ago- truly worrying that

The best day of all was actually our walk at Faffleralp, at the end of the Lötschental valley. We last walked it in the autumn some years back, which was stunning- but the flowers were wonderful. The best high Alpine walk in CH, I think, for those who are less able to walk steeply- like me with my gammy knee and sil and bil in their mid 70s with mild heart problems. Highly recommended and not far from the Lötschberg tunnel terminal at Goppenstein.
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If the upcoming corner was a right-hand hairpin then it is understandable that the motorhome driver may have adopted a more central road position - especially if the vehicle had a longer than average wheelbase.

That doesn't stop it being their fault.

The same is true from uphill left-hand hairpins - hug the right side of the road, turn in agressively towards the apex, nail the throttle and apply a dab of oppo'

Indeed, enter wide, then tighten at the apex.

Better visibility, and you can hit the gas earlier.

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Indeed, enter wide, then tighten at the apex.
Better visibility, and you can hit the gas earlier.
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Works on all hairpins - used by bikes, motorbikes, cars, motorhomes and coaches. The ineptitude is not of the line but of the driver failing to not a ruddy great Disco coming up the hill and adapting their line.

The main problem with motorhomes is that they can't nail the apex and then apply full throttle and get the back end to swing round.

It simply can't be done.

Ever.

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If the upcoming corner was a right-hand hairpin then it is understandable that the motorhome driver may have adopted a more central road position - especially if the vehicle had a longer than average wheelbase.

That doesn't stop it being their fault.

The same is true from uphill left-hand hairpins - hug the right side of the road, turn in agressively towards the apex, nail the throttle and apply a dab of oppo'

Exactly!

This is how I drive on Alpine passes, obviously with dotted lines + clear visibility of oncoming traffic. I use the full road with spirited driving. Otherwise golden rule is SLOW down.

People forget on these passes and steep inclines these heavy vehicles can suffer brake fade, and drivers should be aware of this, using the gears to control speed especially downhill is important to support braking systems. Motorhomes are dragged out for a few months each summer and while they generally behave like cars, they are not.

This above can happen in any car, I managed to do this in a car with 365mm Brembo Race spec brakes (don't ask how)
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This above can happen in any car, I managed to do this in a car with 365mm Brembo Race spec brakes (don't ask how)
It is all about disc size - it will also depend on its width, the fluid condition, the pad size, the pad material and the type of caliper. A single piston floating caliper on a good disc will fade no matter how fancy it is.

If I used aggressive Ferrodo DS3000 pads, I'd budget on a set of them (front and rear) over the course of a race weekend - although they'd be used in rotation to ensure best performance in the race.

The last time I suffered fade was when using a Z4 3.0 on track (with standard brakes). However I did smoke a set of fronts on an old Merc Estate coming down from Lenzerheide one time - lesson learned, and next time I kept the autobox in 2nd gear
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Old 14.07.2015, 11:25
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It is all about disc size - it will also depend on its width, the fluid condition, the pad size, the pad material and the type of caliper. A single piston floating caliper on a good disc will fade no matter how fancy it is.
I've had brake fade a few times on my bike, then I started changing fluid yearly and switched to race pads, no more fading, they only get better the hotter they get!

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I think it was an inexperienced Motorhome driver, and unsused to mountain roads. S/he allowed the weight of the vehicle to increase speed downhill and when s/he got to tunnel and the bend at the end, was caught out by speed and the vehicle was carried over the line by sheer momentum and lack of control. No excuse for not stopping though, is there?

We will hire Motorhome this autumn as they have excelllent rates for off-peak at the Doubs Loisir in Jougne near Pontarlier. Never done this before as rates are ususally so high. Good job we are both used to drive the Discovery which is relatively high and wide. Will be fun. 4 days midweek off-peak 197 Euros in September/October- so will go off to Burgundy - plenty of space to bring back wine

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I think it was an inexperienced Motorhome driver, and unsused to mountain roads. S/he allowed the weight of the vehicle to increase speed downhill and when s/he got to tunnel and the bend at the end, was caught out by speed and the vehicle was carried over the line by sheer momentum and lack of control. No excuse for not stopping though, is there?

We will hire Motorhome this autumn as they have excelllent rates for off-peak at the Doubs Loisir in Jougne near Pontarlier. Never done this before as rates are ususally so high. Good job we are both used to drive the Discovery which is relatively high and wide. Will be fun. 4 days midweek off-peak 197 Euros in September/October- so will go off to Burgundy - plenty of space to bring back wine

And immediately after that we come and visit!
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I've had brake fade a few times on my bike, then I started changing fluid yearly and switched to race pads, no more fading, they only get better the hotter they get!

Tom
I should add at this point race specification pads could be illegal in most EU countries for daily driving. Check carefully.

http://ebcbrakes.com/articles/ece-r9...-it-all-about/

Most race pads have too much friction co-efficient hehe. Who checks these things anyway?
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I should add at this point race specification pads could be illegal in most EU countries for daily driving. Check carefully.

http://ebcbrakes.com/articles/ece-r9...-it-all-about/

Most race pads have too much friction co-efficient hehe. Who checks these things anyway?
Ferrodo DS2500 is a "fast-road" pad - squeals like a piggy on an Alabama camping trip when cold though
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I'd never wish harm on anyone else regardless of what they did to me. In this case just a broken mirror...hardly cause to hope significant damage to the other party

Glad you're all OK and hope everyone in the other car is OK too and that they learn to drive more carefully
I wish I could be that wise....

But for a broken mirror, yes - you're right. I've lost many other more valuable things, I wouldn't care. If you think of material things, they don't count. But let's admit it: that driver was careless and all of these could have ended up in a much uglier way...if he would have at least stopped and made sure no-one was hurt, even though maybe he was sure no-one was hurt, but I don't know, showing a bit of remorse.....anyway, the frightening thing is he's most probably the type who will go on like this because he doesn't care and well, because he CAN.
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Re: Stay on YOUR side of the road ....

I've got such a bend (no tunnel though) on the way to A3/A4.
More than once has a driver crossed the middle-line when I was driving just around the bend.
I usually go very slow and drive as much on the right side as possible.

There's also two hourly buses driving this section....
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And immediately after that we come and visit!
sure we will find a 'window' you are very welcome, before we go off to the UK to see grand-children in October. Very full house this Summer- non stop friends and family from all over the world- wonderful - and also Daniel Waples, the Hang player and Flavio Lopez the violinist- that will be fun (check the Hang thread)- so yes, time to forget about this incident and enjoy the rest of the Summer, hurrah.
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Ferrodo DS2500 is a "fast-road" pad - squeals like a piggy on an Alabama camping trip when cold though
That's because "Ferrodo" is a Chinese knock-off of "Ferodo"!

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Re: Stay on YOUR side of the road ....

I normally never comment but had to weigh in after reading only the first 5 postings

OP definately agree with you!
The problem on the roads today is there are too many people doing things that they shouldnt be doing behind the wheel.
SMOKING, phone, eating, playing w themselves ect.
Smokers really piss me off throwing their butts out the window and it goes skipping off my vehicle as it bounces down the road. ITS CALLED LITTERING!
Or the toolbag whom needs to swing right while im in the next lane to turn left at the intersection.

I hope the one whom broke your mirror had a flat tire a short time later!
Good thing you were not injured but others fail to see that you should be mad and wish them ill will.
Karmas a bitch!
So to all you put there whom OWN the road and are in your own little me world, slow down, pay attention and the one you stop for may be your own kid.


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Just spent a week in the Alps, in Leukerbad, and visited several areas in the Upper Valais... and were amazed by the number of people who take bends on the wrong side of the road! On the way to Saas-Fee, some idiot driving a motor-home came out of a tunnel coming down from Saas completely over the line and completely smashed our right-side mirror - and could have been a lot worse if OH was not keeping way off the middle line. Grrr...
the only one who hit us, but one of so many driving right over the line- both Swiss and foreign plates!

Later edit : We have a right hand drive Discovery, it was our brother-in-law who nearly 'got it' ... and he was really shaken, poor thing. The motorhome came out of the tunnel in middle of the road, and it all happened so fast- no time to even notice if it was Swiss or foreign - s/he knew full well they had hit us hard- but didn't stop. Sorry, but I hope they suffered significant damage!
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Re: Stay on YOUR side of the road ....

People driving on and over the line in Switzerland is a real danger.

It always amazes me that many roads in the US, e.g. in CA, are very wide and have a double yellow line and rumble strips, which helps keeping drivers in their own lane, yet these features are not used on dangerous and narrow mountain roads in Switzerland.

A lot of Swiss drivers are impatient and very aggressive (tailgating, honking, speeding up when getting passed and speeding up when other try to merge seem to be the rule), but that's another problem.
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I'm seriously considering getting a dash-cam.
They're technically not legal here (recording peoples faces and identifiers such as plates), and the evidence captured is not permissible in a legal dispute.
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People driving on and over the line in Switzerland is a real danger.

It always amazes me that many roads in the US, e.g. in CA, are very wide and have a double yellow line and rumble strips, which helps keeping drivers in their own lane, yet these features are not used on dangerous and narrow mountain roads in Switzerland.

A lot of Swiss drivers are impatient and very aggressive (tailgating, honking, speeding up when getting passed and speeding up when other try to merge seem to be the rule), but that's another problem.
I assume your perception is very unbalanced.

Nevertheless the death rate on US roads is about 3.4 times higher than in Switzerland, despite Switzerland having disproportionally less longer highways and motorways (are the least dangerous kind of road) and much narrower driving conditions!
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