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Old 16.07.2015, 21:06
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Well, if you are red-headed and called a ginger with no soul, not racist either, is it? Its only mean childishness.
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Old 16.07.2015, 22:38
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Re: A crappy day and possible racism

And in England people kept asking me to speak Swissish and what it was like ibn Sweden. Now that was so racist and so ignorant- made me soooo angry.

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Old 16.07.2015, 23:20
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Gruezi - how ignorant would that be- it's short for Grüss Gott, and I am atheist, surely they should all know that (). The lack of education of some people is staggering
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Old 16.07.2015, 23:53
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Gruezi - how ignorant would that be- it's short for Grüss Gott, and I am atheist,
I have the solution:
I say moin to everybody. It's low-German for nice and the usual greeting. They can decide themselves what they want to be nice.
And I won't get accused by a Swiss to use dialect... that would backfire. re-
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Old 17.07.2015, 00:34
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(Maybe your day can get a little better, check out the beautiful visual poetry I've been feasting on, Karolin Klüppel - Mädchenland)


Woaaaaaa! Well THAT made my day! And I had a hard one too, I tell you
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Old 17.07.2015, 10:09
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I say moin to everybody. It's low-German for nice and the usual greeting.
off the mountain with you ! Arroganter Sauschwob!
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Old 17.07.2015, 10:19
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Re: A crappy day and possible racism

Walking down towards the lake last Sunday, I met a group of four youngsters (about 25 years old I guess) with skins somewhat darker than mine. I said 'guete Daag' and one replied 'gueten Oobe'. We all realised the mistake at the same moment and I burst out laughing. Is that racist?
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Old 17.07.2015, 10:36
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Woaaaaaa! Well THAT made my day! And I had a hard one too, I tell you
It's amazing.

And she is currently apparently on a similar mission in another matrimonial area, this time in China.

Talking of ethnic, culture and gender sensitive issues - sometimes the best way is via nonverbal means. Language may not be accurate enough.
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Old 17.07.2015, 10:41
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My crappy day started early with my husband telling me he wasn't able to drop our son at the day care after all and I would have to do that. That sucked cause I've been hosting a lot of guests mostly his family and I arranged for my son to be at the day care the whole day today so I could relax a bit. It has been quite hot so I decided to wear my cotton kurta/pakistani shirt with leggings, cool and comfortable (or so I thought). In my hurry I managed to bang my forehead pretty bad with a piece of furniture, missed the bus and had to push a double stroller 20 mins uphill in the sun (so much for the relaxing part). After dropping my son I decided to head to a neighboring town for some work. The buses in my area have a ticket terminal inside the bus where we buy our tickets however this particular bus only had a ticket machine next to the drivers seat. As the bus was going on a curvy uphill road and I had a pushchair I waited for the bus to stop at the next station before asking the driver to issue me a ticket (im still in the same zone). The driver casually waved his hand pointing outside and then said to me in german "Sie müssen aussteigen und...oh Sie haben ein kinderwagen ok Ich kann dass schon machen" (my written german isnt good so minus the grammatical mistakes that is what he said). There was a ticket terminal at one of the stations where he was stopping but that particular bus runs only once an hour and surely he couldnt have saved any time if I got off and bought a ticket neither could I have been expected to wait an hour for the next bus. Anyway still confused at his behaviour I decided to let it go. Afterwards I decided to go to Landi and check some plants out where a swiss man approached me and said to me in German Are you a Punjabi? You are wearing a Punjabi shirt you know. You must be from pUnjab. I honestly thought that was quite rude but just smiled and said nein ich bin kein pUnjabi and moved on. on my way out I bought a 9CHF swimming pool for children by INTEX and headed to Aldi. At the check out as I put down the stuff in the push chair and bent down to take out my wallet I heard the cashier say in a very loud voice "und was ist mit dem?" I looked at him puzzled and said mit was? he pointed to the swimming pool in the pushchairs basket and said mit dem. I told him I had just bought it in Landi to which he said sarcastically Are they selling the same brand as us? Now that was absolutely ridiculous because every other shop is selling intex and I went through their stuff and they didn't have that particular one which I had bought. Then he demanded to see the receipt and after checking all he had to say was tip top danke. They have detectors in their branch and even if he suspected he could have approached me separately instead of making a scene infront of everyone at the counter. I dont know if im just being sensitive because of the particularly crappy day ive been having or if everyone behaved the way they did because they thought im some lowlife/ausländer/thief. Iv been living in Switzerland for 8 years and am absolutely shocked at how people reacted to me wearing something other that jeans or trousers. Had any of the events taken place separately I wouldnt have given it much thought. But three different people behaving like this within an hours time just cause I was wearing what they thought was a punjabi dress
I am just sorry you are having a crappy day but don't overthink it
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Old 17.07.2015, 10:47
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I said 'guete Daag' and one replied 'gueten Oobe'. We all realised the mistake at the same moment and I burst out laughing. Is that racist?
Speaking and getting an answer in Baseldeutsch in Zürich is definitely a mistake, but it's not enough to qualify as racist.
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Old 17.07.2015, 12:26
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Re: A crappy day and possible racism

Actually, its not the words that count, it`s the voice inflection behind the intent - like dogs go by body-language and instinct.

Most times the "Gruezi" greeting (or any other) is mumbled, sometimes I fantasize that they could have said "Ef u" - and just greet them back regardless. There`s more to life than getting embroiled in possible innuendos.
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Old 19.07.2015, 23:26
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And more red rep from Porsche- a badge of honour ta
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Old 20.07.2015, 01:55
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Re: A crappy day and possible racism

The Swiss people get all in a fluff if you look different, your skin color is different than theirs, you wear something other than black or grey or if you just don't conform in general.
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Old 20.07.2015, 09:00
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The Swiss people get all in a fluff if you look different, your skin color is different than theirs, you wear something other than black or grey or if you just don't conform in general.
I find this comment ignorant and somewhat embittered. I think you are reflecting on your own sense of feeling ill at ease. Where in the world do people not hold differences with some suspicion? So you may get a frown in Switzerland for looking like a fool or idiot, but in most other parts of the world, you could very well get killed for it.
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Old 20.07.2015, 09:06
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Hey guys, we're missing the main point here.....

The OP's husband deserves a right boll*cking for offering to take her son to day care this morning and then changing his mind at the last minute!

Can't give an opinion on the bus and shopping incidents as the quotes are in german, also don't quite get quite why she's lugging a double pushchair around as there's no mention of a second child.

Sincerely hope husband doesn't get any dinner tonight.
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Old 20.07.2015, 09:16
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Re: A crappy day and possible racism

I am of the opinion that in its hey day racism was a good thing. Suspicious of outsiders, lack of conformity etc helped to save the "group" and individuals from threats.

Maybe our brains just need time to catch up with society?
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Old 20.07.2015, 09:47
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The Swiss people get all in a fluff if you look different, your skin color is different than theirs, you wear something other than black or grey or if you just don't conform in general.
Every group has its codes, and those who don't conform are often excluded. Similar applies to societies, where those who don't conform (be that on purpose or not) are frowned at or worse.

This is part of the human condition, to call it a swiss thing is at best utter ignorance.
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Old 23.07.2015, 16:08
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Re: A crappy day and possible racism

still i dont get the racist bit...
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Old 24.07.2015, 08:41
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still i dont get the racist bit...
Same here I don't see any racism at all.

I guess op is 1 of the easily outraged/ greatly offended modern clan
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Re: A crappy day and possible racism

I just took the time to read the OP and I got the impression that the driver was trying to help. From what I read, could he have been offering to get the ticket for you, or maybe helping you with the stroller while you went for the ticket? I've seen drivers help with strollers and the such.

Of course I wasn't there but could that have been a possibility? And the guy asking you if you were a Punjabi - perhaps he had been there (or even lived there) and wanted to talk to someone he recognized as possibly being from there? Again, I wasn't there so I can't know, but I prefer to take a more positive view of these encounters. I have found that even when I am with a clearly foreign person, they are inevitably treated politely. Not effusively friendly, min, but I don't get that either.
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