Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Living in Switzerland > Complaints corner
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 02.08.2015, 10:43
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Zürich
Posts: 14
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts
HemelSteve has slipped a little
Coach drivers parking in residential areas

Dear English forum buddies

I live in central Zurich close to the ETH campus and hospital. Over the summer we have around 5 coaches a day dropping off tourists outside my flat. They then park up in the street in the pay and display areas while they wait for their tourist groups to return.

The problem is I have these people hanging about right outside my lounge window making noise, which combined with the noise of the coaches means I cannot hear the TV.

The coach drivers literally shout at me when I ask them to turn off their engines or park somewhere else.

What can I do about this?
Attached Thumbnails
coach-drivers-parking-residential-areas-image.jpg  
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 02.08.2015, 10:51
JagWaugh's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Eglisau
Posts: 3,974
Groaned at 31 Times in 30 Posts
Thanked 7,216 Times in 2,906 Posts
JagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coach drivers parking in residential areas

Unless there is a sign which clearly indicates that the spots are not for "Reisecars" I would suggest Headphones.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank JagWaugh for this useful post:
  #3  
Old 02.08.2015, 10:54
TiMow's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Fribourg
Posts: 9,310
Groaned at 292 Times in 196 Posts
Thanked 12,189 Times in 5,300 Posts
TiMow has a reputation beyond reputeTiMow has a reputation beyond reputeTiMow has a reputation beyond reputeTiMow has a reputation beyond reputeTiMow has a reputation beyond reputeTiMow has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coach drivers parking in residential areas

Check what the parking restrictions are, from the relevant signs and pay meters, and if you believe that the parking of coaches, all day long is in violation of them, then contact the police.

If there are no such restrictions then there's not too much to be done.

However, the running of engines on stationary vehicles, is either illegal (not sure) or strictly frowned upon - possibly a concern for the police - especially during lunchtime quiet periods.
Reply With Quote
The following 8 users would like to thank TiMow for this useful post:
  #4  
Old 02.08.2015, 11:51
Sbrinz's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Murten - Morat
Posts: 10,964
Groaned at 542 Times in 342 Posts
Thanked 10,567 Times in 5,406 Posts
Sbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coach drivers parking in residential areas

You can call the police, driver can be fined CHF 60,-- "The unnecessary running of the engine of a stationary vehicle"

https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...ndex.html#app1

SR 741.031 Ordnungsbussen Bussenliste paragraph 326.2
"Unnötiges Laufen lassen des Motors eines stillstehenden Fahrzeugs (Art. 33 Bst. a VRV)"
Reply With Quote
The following 7 users would like to thank Sbrinz for this useful post:
  #5  
Old 02.08.2015, 11:59
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Zürich
Posts: 14
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts
HemelSteve has slipped a little
These are the parking restrictions nothing about coaches

Quote:
View Post
You can call the police, driver can be fined CHF 60,-- "The unnecessary running of the engine of a stationary vehicle"

https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...ndex.html#app1

SR 741.031 Ordnungsbussen Bussenliste paragraph 326.2
"Unnötiges Laufen lassen des Motors eines stillstehenden Fahrzeugs (Art. 33 Bst. a VRV)"
I didn't know you could bother the police for these types of problems, I thought this would be handled by the kanton offices
Attached Thumbnails
coach-drivers-parking-residential-areas-20150802_105350.jpg  

Last edited by 3Wishes; 02.08.2015 at 17:18. Reason: merging consecutive replies
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 02.08.2015, 12:54
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Ostschweiz
Posts: 3,026
Groaned at 99 Times in 79 Posts
Thanked 3,748 Times in 1,937 Posts
Urs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coach drivers parking in residential areas

Sbrinz and TiMow are right, it's forbidden to have the motor on idle, that's also why you can't warm up your car in winter while you drink your morning coffee in the kitchen.

Just like any other trespassing this is a police matter.

As for the parking itself, they're clearly not allowed to park there:
- generally speaking, there may be individual fields marked, this appears to not be the case here. If that were the case, over-long vehicles would be forbidden
- parking time in this case is limited to one hour, after which time the vehicle must leave the area (though it may return after a bit). Waiting for dropped off tourists probably takes longer than that (especially if they're in the zoo). There can be assumed to be a reason for the parking time limit: keep the tourists off the area, presumably because it's residential and quiet.

Most importantly though, the parking field is too small for the vehicles. They don't fit thus they're not allowed to park, couln't be any clearer.

Take pictures with vehicle numbers clearly readable (one from a bit away and one close up or zoomed in would be just perfect), and report them. Or call the police, describe the situation and ask them to remedy the situation, and keep coming by as this is probably a repeating issue.
Reply With Quote
The following 8 users would like to thank Urs Max for this useful post:
  #7  
Old 02.08.2015, 13:13
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Winterthur
Posts: 55
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 31 Times in 17 Posts
Oblio has no particular reputation at present
Re: Coach drivers parking in residential areas

It always amazes me how "we" - the lesser (ahem!) Swiss residents - who most likely pay quite a bit in taxes- are so concerned in calling the police for things that a Swiss person would not bat an eyelid in doing. I totally get OP's reluctance to do so (seems it should be a question of common sense that the whole parking thing doesn't happen but ...)

Even if it seems heavy handed, I agree that sometimes we need to play by the rules of where we are and the police may have to be called in.. would be curious to hear what they say/do.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Oblio for this useful post:
  #8  
Old 02.08.2015, 13:37
adrianlondon's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Basel
Posts: 8,800
Groaned at 189 Times in 172 Posts
Thanked 24,234 Times in 6,529 Posts
adrianlondon has a reputation beyond reputeadrianlondon has a reputation beyond reputeadrianlondon has a reputation beyond reputeadrianlondon has a reputation beyond reputeadrianlondon has a reputation beyond reputeadrianlondon has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coach drivers parking in residential areas

I'd consider asking the landlord/regie to sort it (ie tell the coach drivers to piss off, or call the police) but if they weren't interested I'd call them. If the police really think it's not their job they simply won't do anything; apart from the time to make the call (or pop into their office) you lose nothing.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank adrianlondon for this useful post:
  #9  
Old 02.08.2015, 13:54
aSwissInTheUS's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Zurich area
Posts: 5,041
Groaned at 40 Times in 38 Posts
Thanked 7,091 Times in 3,224 Posts
aSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coach drivers parking in residential areas

To start on good terms with the police use the non-emergency number.
For City of Zurich this is: 0444 117 117
Reply With Quote
The following 5 users would like to thank aSwissInTheUS for this useful post:
  #10  
Old 02.08.2015, 13:59
TiMow's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Fribourg
Posts: 9,310
Groaned at 292 Times in 196 Posts
Thanked 12,189 Times in 5,300 Posts
TiMow has a reputation beyond reputeTiMow has a reputation beyond reputeTiMow has a reputation beyond reputeTiMow has a reputation beyond reputeTiMow has a reputation beyond reputeTiMow has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coach drivers parking in residential areas

Quote:
View Post
It always amazes me how "we" - the lesser (ahem!) Swiss residents - who most likely pay quite a bit in taxes- are so concerned in calling the police for things that a Swiss person would not bat an eyelid in doing.
Don't be so sure .... the (Swiss) mother of a boy in my daughter's class (2nd, Primary) called the police to visit the home of another classmate who 'accidentally' blooded her son's nose in a bit of rough playing in the playground, FFS.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 02.08.2015, 14:07
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Zürich
Posts: 14
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts
HemelSteve has slipped a little
Re: Coach drivers parking in residential areas

Thanks for all the advice. I agree the spaces are too small for coaches which I assume is why one of the drivers went nuts when I took s picture of his coach.

I'll definitely take some more pictures and report it to the police.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank HemelSteve for this useful post:
  #12  
Old 02.08.2015, 14:07
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Winterthur
Posts: 55
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 31 Times in 17 Posts
Oblio has no particular reputation at present
Re: Coach drivers parking in residential areas

Quote:
View Post
Don't be so sure .... the (Swiss) mother of a boy in my daughter's class (2nd, Primary) called the police to visit the home of another classmate who 'accidentally' blooded her son's nose in a bit of rough playing in the playground, FFS.

Ok, I should have better defined "we" - the foreigners living here, non-Swiss..
the above confirms my point : the police is called for the slightest of things.

I guess it goes with the fear of confrontation and the horror of all things to be negotiated...hence the need for a third party (the police, the insurance company, the verwaltung) to sort out situations that in most other places could be arranged between the parties.

Back on topic: the drivers of the buses are most likely not Swiss .... otherwise they would know better than to park in spaces way too small for purpose... just sayin'
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Oblio for this useful post:
  #13  
Old 02.08.2015, 14:43
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Ostschweiz
Posts: 3,026
Groaned at 99 Times in 79 Posts
Thanked 3,748 Times in 1,937 Posts
Urs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coach drivers parking in residential areas

Quote:
Ok, I should have better defined "we" - the foreigners living here, non-Swiss..
the above confirms my point : the police is called for the slightest of things.
Differnt people react differently, not all situations are comparable. Perhaps refrain from generalizing next time.

Quote:
View Post
I'd consider asking the landlord/regie to sort it (ie tell the coach drivers to piss off, or call the police) but if they weren't interested I'd call them. If the police really think it's not their job they simply won't do anything; apart from the time to make the call (or pop into their office) you lose nothing.
It's on the road, that's not the landlords business.

I'm not much of a friend of making things official, direct solutions usually are much better. But the not-so-friendly reaction by the drivers makes an amicable solution rather unlikely, even more so as there probably are dozens drivers involved. You know, Sisyphus... And some (many?) obviously don't care about the residents, so why should they be considerate?

The road to me looks like a one-way "Quartierstrasse" (residential area) with what looks like a church or cemetary building in the background, in which case the coaches block parking lots intended for churchgoers and cemetary visitors. Even if these assumptions are only half-correct there's no way for the police to not act.
Reply With Quote
The following 5 users would like to thank Urs Max for this useful post:
  #14  
Old 02.08.2015, 14:46
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: here
Posts: 3,534
Groaned at 51 Times in 42 Posts
Thanked 3,548 Times in 1,804 Posts
glowjupiter has a reputation beyond reputeglowjupiter has a reputation beyond reputeglowjupiter has a reputation beyond reputeglowjupiter has a reputation beyond reputeglowjupiter has a reputation beyond reputeglowjupiter has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coach drivers parking in residential areas

Quote:
View Post
I'd consider asking the landlord/regie to sort it (ie tell the coach drivers to piss off, or call the police) but if they weren't interested I'd call them. If the police really think it's not their job they simply won't do anything; apart from the time to make the call (or pop into their office) you lose nothing.
I'd contact the landlord and the police at the same time and tell the police that you contacted the landlord - so they see that you didn't just let them sort it out - and tell the landlord that you contacted the police, so that he sees that you mean business (even if it's not the landlord's business he might be interested in the quality of his building's neighborhood possibly deteriorating due to noisy cars).

OP, if you decide to contact police, please don't use the emergency number, but rather the number of the local office.

Last edited by glowjupiter; 02.08.2015 at 15:54.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank glowjupiter for this useful post:
  #15  
Old 02.08.2015, 14:50
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Neuchatel
Posts: 19,355
Groaned at 368 Times in 275 Posts
Thanked 22,366 Times in 10,062 Posts
Odile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coach drivers parking in residential areas

Failing that, in Berlin they use rotten eggs!

Agreed, do not contact the police. Talk to other residents and contact landlord as a group- and ask him to deal with this with the Gemeinde. Here I would just go to the 'Commune' (Gemeinde/Council) myself.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Odile for this useful post:
  #16  
Old 02.08.2015, 14:59
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: here
Posts: 3,534
Groaned at 51 Times in 42 Posts
Thanked 3,548 Times in 1,804 Posts
glowjupiter has a reputation beyond reputeglowjupiter has a reputation beyond reputeglowjupiter has a reputation beyond reputeglowjupiter has a reputation beyond reputeglowjupiter has a reputation beyond reputeglowjupiter has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coach drivers parking in residential areas

Quote:
View Post
Failing that, in Berlin they use rotten eggs!

Agreed, do not contact the police. Talk to other residents and contact landlord as a group- and ask him to deal with this with the Gemeinde. Here I would just go to the 'Commune' (Gemeinde/Council) myself.
Even if it's not the landlord's problem because it's on the road? I think this could make him say (no matter how many residents agree with OP), not my turf, not my problem.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank glowjupiter for this useful post:
  #17  
Old 02.08.2015, 15:36
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Neuchatel
Posts: 19,355
Groaned at 368 Times in 275 Posts
Thanked 22,366 Times in 10,062 Posts
Odile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coach drivers parking in residential areas

Landlord would then talk to the Gemeinde re the problems to his residents- not his problem as such- but I'd say best if he (she) dealls with this for the building and his (her) residents as a whole.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Odile for this useful post:
  #18  
Old 02.08.2015, 22:16
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: NW
Posts: 172
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 83 Times in 56 Posts
JoshT has made some interesting contributions
Re: Coach drivers parking in residential areas

It might also be worth asking the management company for a rent reduction. You could argue that the buses are causing a decrease in the quality of life in the apartment, and that therefore you want a rent reduction. This might get them to also contact the relevant authorities about this problem.

Did you also ask the neighbours to submit complaints?

Do you know which bus company this is? Maybe contact them too?

If all else fails, do you have a car you can (legally) park in "their" spot?
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank JoshT for this useful post:
  #19  
Old 03.08.2015, 09:14
dodgyken's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Democratic Republic Kenistan
Posts: 9,793
Groaned at 340 Times in 276 Posts
Thanked 17,395 Times in 6,651 Posts
dodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coach drivers parking in residential areas

I'm with the "call the police on the non-emergency number" brigade. The coaches are causing, in your view, a public nuisance as well as potentially violating a number of laws:
1) Parking without paying
2) Exceeding the parking time
3) Returning after the allowed parking time
4) Parking outside a marked bay
5) Running their engines.

Think "What would a Swiss do?"
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 03.08.2015, 10:10
Dack Rambo's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 2,439
Groaned at 178 Times in 105 Posts
Thanked 1,551 Times in 765 Posts
Dack Rambo has earned the respect of manyDack Rambo has earned the respect of manyDack Rambo has earned the respect of many
Re: Coach drivers parking in residential areas

Hopefully the OP will let us know how the police respond to his complaint
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Dack Rambo for this useful post:
Reply

Tags
noise pollution, parking in zuerich




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
women drivers - parking grynch General off-topic 39 15.07.2012 19:06
Lausanne quiet residential areas Duncheg Housing in general 3 10.10.2011 14:19
ISB and Residential areas debs63 Family matters/health 17 29.01.2011 18:34
[Geneva] Free parking areas in Geneva or surroundings Salsa_Lover Daily life 22 23.05.2010 09:49
Looking for residential areas in Berne patw Housing in general 11 17.04.2009 12:15


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 02:51.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0