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Re: MIGROS:NUT Allergie attack// hospital.

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Apparently, your german speaking friend did the talking. How fluent is the waitress in german? Stupid question you say? Let me think out loud:

Nuts in a tomato sauce are quite unusual, at least in german speaking CH - I think I haven't seen that even once, literally. The Migros restaurants are mainstream, they are not part of experimental cuisine. That makes it virtually impossible for them to use a nut-tomato sauce in their meal plans.

The amount of nuts you describe means they weren't there by accident, it was not a case of an odd nut dropping from somewhere. Neither were they (probably) part of the original sauce as they were all on the ground, they were out of visibiltiy as if perhaps they were added while filling the plate/bowl, and poorly stirred if at all.

So what if the waitress misunderstood your friend? What if she thought you asked for nuts in the pasta? That would help explain the nuts only at the bottom, the personnels non-caring when you complained, etc.
The Migros restaurants' staff is made up by immigrants who barely speak German (high German at least), let alone English. Thus, I'm not surprised if some misunderstandings occur.
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do allergies appear later on in life? i'm just wondering why people with severe nut allergies don't die when they eat their first nut when they are still kids?
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Brother #2 developed his allergy against direct sunlight (Sonnenallergie) in his late forties.
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Went to Migros for lunch, in the fresh food section at the stadelhofen location, asked the server with my german speaking friend if the pasta had any nuts in it and explained my allergie...she said no, we asked again just to be safe and she said no no its fine, i looked fine because it just seemed to be pasta and tomato sauce but as im very careful i always doubble check. 10 minutes later my throat is itchy and half way through the pasta we find huge chunks of nut in it. 1 hour later im in the hospital being treated for a serious reaction.

can i sue? dose anyone know how this works. im from canada but live and work here.

if anyone knows the best way to approach this situatiion please let me know.

nuts in Pasta ??
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One cannot blame a simple restaurant employee for not handing out a chemical analysis of any ingredient of a dish. Imho impossible. If one suffers from food allergy, a solution could be simply staying out of restaurants, if you don't wanna rely on the expertise of waitors in those matters. (personally I wouldn't trust them too much; and if I were that allergic, I wouldn't even eat from a plate which has not been cleaned by myself).


I would be much more concerned about the fact that they let you walk out of the restaurant after you told them that you think you got a reaction, instead of calling the ambulance.

There are so many sorts of allergia, only diagnosed ss such in recent decades. An uncle had an allergy against oranges (he had loved oranges) and then died of Parkinson, Mum had an allergy against oranges and celery (she had loved both) and then died of dementia which according to Waidspital IS an illness
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Yes.
Brother #2 developed his allergy against direct sunlight (Sonnenallergie) in his late forties.

I hope he gets on well ...


https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannel...nde_und_Flucht


as THIS Looks like real sh....
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Old 17.08.2015, 08:44
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The Migros restaurants' staff is made up by immigrants who barely speak German (high German at least), let alone English. Thus, I'm not surprised if some misunderstandings occur.
At the same time, that's true of pretty much any fast food joint or takeaway counter in Swiss urban areas. So "avoid Migros restaurants" is only likely to be useful if one doesn't instead go for their nearest equivalent, i.e. another budget-takeaway place in the same zip code.


And as a note from the not-everywhere-is-Zürich department:
I'm a regular at our local Migros restaurant (Glarus) as it is by far the most wipe-clean, toddler-friendly joint in town. The staff here are a mix of ethnic Swiss and Migrationshintergrund types, judging from the surnames. All seem to speak German perfectly well; haven't tried them on English.
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At the same time, that's true of pretty much any fast food joint or takeaway counter in Swiss urban areas. So "avoid Migros restaurants" is only likely to be useful if one doesn't instead go for their nearest equivalent, i.e. another budget-takeaway place in the same zip code.
Oh no, I wouldn't advise anyone to avoid Migros restaurants as I'm a regular myself.
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Old 17.08.2015, 09:40
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Re: MIGROS:NUT Allergie attack// hospital.

Some pasta sauce recipes contain walnuts.

Pesto Genovese has pine nuts in it.

Not so uncommon. My cousin's daughter has severe nut and other food allergies and she just turns food down if she is not 100% sure of the ingredients.

The correct thing for the Migros serving staff would be to state that the meal is not guaranteed to be nut free.

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Re: MIGROS:NUT Allergie attack// hospital.

Pine nuts btw are not nuts at all- and are fine for people allergic to other nuts- problem is that to cut cost, most brands of pestos contain cashews instead or part of- to which some people are highly allergic. Some brands used to be fine until a few years ago, then swtiched to cashews without any announcement on the label for those who had known the brand to be safe! For those who have to read labels to check for alsolutely everything, including traces of, changes in recipe without making it clear is so dangerous. Same when they suddenly switch from Parmiggiano to Grana Padano, which containts traces of egg. It means that even though you know a brand not to contain 'x, y or z' you still have to ckeck everytime! A total pain I can tell you.

No way am I going to 'blame' the OP- that if he has a severe nut allergy, he should know by now that Migros type canteen are NOT a good idea- as even if a dish does not contain a certain ingredient, the cross contamination from one dish to another is just too risky. Even if he does not carry an epi-pen all the time, at least he should have his antihistamine. Lesson learnt- stay safe.
I can just imagine when my grandson is older and wants to travel, how we shall all be on constant tender hooks- hoping he is staying safe.

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......constant tender hooks.......

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Re: MIGROS:NUT Allergie attack// hospital.

you know what, THANKS - I truly did not know that? Cheers- as Nil's dad says 'I'll go to bed just a little less stupid tonight'.

What are 'tenter hooks' btw?

I've used the expression for decades, and never knew. Most other I got wrong were duly corrected by my students or kids in the past. I used to often say 'I can't be asked' - until one of my 6th formers pointed our he thought I'd perhaps got it wrong love learning, I do - another pointed out that a 'twit' and its twin with a vowel change were not twins at all. Ahhh the joys of being a furiner, hey.
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Some pasta sauce recipes contain walnuts.
Indeed, but none contain nuts and tomatoes.

The OP's sauce was tomato based.

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Re: MIGROS:NUT Allergie attack// hospital.

Sure, but if the sauce was prepared in a work area or using utensils which were used to prepare something containing nuts, then there can be enough traces to cause an allergic reaction.

Those with allergies that I know personally hate being a PITA when trying to eat out and it is all too easy to slip up.

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Indeed, but none contain nuts and tomatoes.

The OP's sauce was tomato based.

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Sure, but if the sauce was prepared in a work area or using utensils which were used to prepare something containing nuts, then there can be enough traces to cause an allergic reaction.
Indeed, but the OP mentioned "huge chunks" rather than traces.

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Re: MIGROS:NUT Allergie attack// hospital.

So...maybe it was a tomato and walnut sauce. Google just came up with such a sauce which is ideal for vegans - provided they don't have a nut allergy.

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Indeed, but the OP mentioned "huge chunks" rather than traces.

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Yes.
Brother #2 developed his allergy against direct sunlight (Sonnenallergie) in his late forties.
My son's doctor is doing research which indicates a link between vitamin D deficiency and allergies. If the link is proven, that'll be a bit of shame for the sun allergic. (My wife has that as well).

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My son's doctor is doing research which indicates a link between vitamin D deficiency and allergies. If the link is proven, that'll be a bit of shame for the sun allergic. (My wife has that as well).

Hyperbole?
Does his work indicate that, even after it broke out Vitamin D may help? Or is is just about the allergy not forming?

As far as my brother is concerned the allergy is not that much of a problem, he just needs to remember to apply sunblocker and the problem is solved for the remainder of the day. And that's only relevant with direct sunlight, weather like today is not an issue.

Thx. Looks like "being on tenterhooks" is the equivalent of the german "auf Nadeln sitzen" - anxiously waiting for something to happen, some decision to be made.
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So...maybe it was a tomato and walnut sauce. Google just came up with such a sauce which is ideal for vegans - provided they don't have a nut allergy.
And presumably if that was the case it would be listed as such and the servers would know about the nuts.
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