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Old 06.09.2015, 13:49
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Re: Are Swiss local associations a reflection of the hotel industry?

The conservative, xenophobic mentality of the vereins (well, of CH in general) doesn't help to bolster membership.

Our local Familiengartenverein - who complain about the lack of interest from the younger Swiss in maintaining the gardens and verein - let OH and I in (and gave us a garden plot/allotment), no questions asked - She's Swiss, and i'm an Ami but look like any other Hans-Rüedi or the average Sepp on the street...

There was another couple, she being Swiss, the husband a black African. They had asked for a garden plot before we had - but were forced to wait for almost 6 months until the next verein meeting, and then present themselves for consideration in front of everyone...

IMO the Swiss don't realize how close minded they really can be - even the so called and self-described liberals (maybe they're the worst - self righteous back-patters) The racism and xenophobia run deep in this society...

Another example: my inlaws likely think of themselves as being open minded and supportive of social causes. They recently hosted a young Peruvian guy for a short spell, on an exchange program. Talking to my wife on the phone, they asked if we'd like to come by their place -'to have a look at him' as they phrased it. Not to meet him, per se...
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Old 06.09.2015, 15:19
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Re: Are Swiss local associations a reflection of the hotel industry?

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The conservative, xenophobic mentality of the vereins (well, of CH in general) doesn't help to bolster membership.

Our local Familiengartenverein - who complain about the lack of interest from the younger Swiss in maintaining the gardens and verein - let OH and I in (and gave us a garden plot/allotment), no questions asked - She's Swiss, and i'm an Ami but look like any other Hans-Rüedi or the average Sepp on the street...

There was another couple, she being Swiss, the husband a black African. They had asked for a garden plot before we had - but were forced to wait for almost 6 months until the next verein meeting, and then present themselves for consideration in front of everyone...

IMO the Swiss don't realize how close minded they really can be - even the so called and self-described liberals (maybe they're the worst - self righteous back-patters) The racism and xenophobia run deep in this society...

Another example: my inlaws likely think of themselves as being open minded and supportive of social causes. They recently hosted a young Peruvian guy for a short spell, on an exchange program. Talking to my wife on the phone, they asked if we'd like to come by their place -'to have a look at him' as they phrased it. Not to meet him, per se...
It's not just the Swiss.

Our theatre group is made up a many nationalities, including a few Swiss, but mainly Brits. It's the British who want it to be exclusive and don't want change anything - and complain about English spoken with an accent - even American accents sometimes!!
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And this is precisely where associations with "older than your average" members are struggling. They keep complaining about it but when help is on offer, the response tends to be dismissive "But we've always done things this way....".
I also get the impression that there is a "natural lack of empathy" in some parts of Switzerland, perhaps due to its rural roots and less mobility to "other countries and cultures", so when one makes a suggestion that might help to improve a particular situation, it is viewed as a threat to the set order of things, even when this set order is precisely what is preventing the "association" from blossoming or even surviving.

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many Swiss cities and towns are among the oldest in Europe
and most Swiss Areas are Durchgangsland / Transit Country and so traditionally open for influences from outside


you may hint to SVP but should keep in mind that the family of Mr Blocher immigrated from the Kingdom of Württemberg less than 4 generations ago
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Re: Are Swiss local associations a reflection of the hotel industry?

Around here there are 5 classes of citizens,

First class, Swiss with a Heimat from at least 100 years ago

Second class, younger Swiss and Europeans born north of the Alps

Third class, Europeans born south of the Alps

Fourth class, Caucasians born outside Europe

Fifth class, anyone else

"We are not racist, we just like to organise people..."
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Re: Are Swiss local associations a reflection of the hotel industry?

Quote: IMO the Swiss don't realize how close minded they really can be - even the so called and self-described liberals (maybe they're the worst - self righteous back-patters) The racism and xenophobia run deep in this society...

When I was unemployed, I didn't notice any racism when I took on an 80 m² garden in Bern, but keeping within the list of regulations (I received 2 complaints about my weeds) made it an almost full time job. I had no time for the garden when I found a permanent 42 hrs/week job, so I had to resign the plot.
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Around here there are 5 classes of citizens,

First class, Swiss with a Heimat from at least 100 years ago

Second class, younger Swiss and Europeans born north of the Alps

Third class, Europeans born south of the Alps

Fourth class, Caucasians born outside Europe

Fifth class, anyone else

"We are not racist, we just like to organise people..."
People can only classify you if you let yourself be classified.

I don't. I'm English. That puts me in the first class whether Hans-Ueli Tschudi likes it or not.
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The conservative, xenophobic mentality of the vereins (well, of CH in general) doesn't help to bolster membership.

Our local Familiengartenverein - who complain about the lack of interest from the younger Swiss in maintaining the gardens and verein - let OH and I in (and gave us a garden plot/allotment), no questions asked - She's Swiss, and i'm an Ami but look like any other Hans-Rüedi or the average Sepp on the street...

There was another couple, she being Swiss, the husband a black African. They had asked for a garden plot before we had - but were forced to wait for almost 6 months until the next verein meeting, and then present themselves for consideration in front of everyone...

IMO the Swiss don't realize how close minded they really can be - even the so called and self-described liberals (maybe they're the worst - self righteous back-patters) The racism and xenophobia run deep in this society...

Another example: my inlaws likely think of themselves as being open minded and supportive of social causes. They recently hosted a young Peruvian guy for a short spell, on an exchange program. Talking to my wife on the phone, they asked if we'd like to come by their place -'to have a look at him' as they phrased it. Not to meet him, per se...
What is it with these garden plots? Where I live it's mainly the Balkanoids who've got them.. (nothing abnormal here according to my knowledge...keep them busy and in touch with nature as they always like to brag) And a few Italo-Portuguese-Swiss. How do I know? They all have flags...
I didn't imagine they're so much wanted. Thought fancy expats aim for higher goals - i.e. having their own garden.

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In many places you can see the flag of not yet Independent Kurdistan



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many of those flags are CANTON flags
Not around here they're not. They are ALL the flags of their home countries.
There are a lot of Portuguese and Italians plus a variety of Balkan flags too.
Not a single flag on any if the allotments here is a cantonal one.
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Not around here they're not. They are ALL the flags of their home countries.
There are a lot of Portuguese and Italians plus a variety of Balkan flags too.
Not a single flag on any if the allotments here is a cantonal one.

Here in the Zürich area I see lots of Cantonal flags.


Most of all Bern and Schaffhausen and Ticino




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Not around here they're not. They are ALL the flags of their home countries.
There are a lot of Portuguese and Italians plus a variety of Balkan flags too.
Not a single flag on any if the allotments here is a cantonal one.
@Belgianmum - so glad you quoted when you replied (before the relevant post was edited).
Don't know about you, but I hate being made to look a bit stupid!

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Re: Are Swiss local associations a reflection of the hotel industry?

Where I lived in the UK most of the allotment garden plots were either looked after by very elderly Brits, and all the others by Indian and West Indian families- lots of music, singing, BBQs, and very colourful. And I can assure you WEEDS were not tolerated by any of them- they were (are) VERY proud of their allotments. Weeds have the unpleasant habit not to know borders, and seed and take over all around them- which can be create a lot of work for those aorund you, so I get where the complaints came from.


Sbrinz btw, you do live in Bern too- the Bernese are, well... Bernese
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@Belgianmum - so glad you quoted when you replied (before the relevant post was edited).
Don't know about you, but I hate being made to look a bit stupid!
I always quote the post I'm replying to.
I've seen so many misunderstandings and stupid answers due to posts not being quoted and/or being changed later.

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Sbrinz btw, you do live in Bern too- the Bernese are, well... Bernese
Isn't Murten in Fribourg?
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Between you and me, the Cantons and their borders are a right royal mess round there!
Kanton Freiburg
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Between you and me, the Cantons and their borders are a right royal mess round there!
Kanton Freiburg
Tell me about it! I regularly spend my time crossing from one canton to another and can have been through four cantonal borders within 10/15 minutes of my house.
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I always quote the post I'm replying to.
I've seen so many misunderstandings and stupid answers due to posts not being quoted and/or being changed later.

I don't like looking stupid either!



Isn't Murten in Fribourg?

Sure, but Murten is in the German speaking part of Freiburg
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And if you can remember Sbrinz previous name- he did live in Bern for a very long time;
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Sure, but Murten is in the German speaking part of Freiburg
What's that got to do with anything?
It's still not in Kanton Bern is it irrespective of what language is spoken.

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And if you can remember Sbrinz previous name- he did live in Bern for a very long time;
Did being the operative word here.
He did live in Bern but he doesn't now.

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Quote: IMO the Swiss don't realize how close minded they really can be - even the so called and self-described liberals (maybe they're the worst - self righteous back-patters) The racism and xenophobia run deep in this society...

When I was unemployed, I didn't notice any racism when I took on an 80 m² garden in Bern, but keeping within the list of regulations (I received 2 complaints about my weeds) made it an almost full time job. I had no time for the garden when I found a permanent 42 hrs/week job, so I had to resign the plot.
ahh, the regulations....

My upstairs neighbors have a plot in the same Schrebergarten as I. They were told last year that they had to paint some of the wood on their pergola because it wasn't an acceptable color. (It was green! In a garden no less!)

I once got a letter in the mail explaining that the piece of wood leaning against my tomato house was unacceptable - only clear materials are allowed...

And I once left after dusk, leaving my rattan sunshades down. I went back at dawn, only to find a laminated note telling me that this is forbidden. Does the garden manager do a midnight patrol? WTF!

Of course, the manager's plot has both colored materials around the tomato house AND some green painted wood. He just makes these rules up to exert his perceived authority....

Sometimes I wonder where these types of people come from - and then I remember: Switzerland.

I'm still waiting for a good opportunity to erect my flagpole and the good ol' stars and stripes - four times bigger than the neighboring CH flags, because that's just how we 'Mericans like to do things
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ahh, the regulations....
I once got a letter in the mail explaining that the piece of wood leaning against my tomato house was unacceptable -
You're quite lucky you got away with growing tomatoes which were not evenly spaced on both sides of the stem!
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