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Conversely I got to know many of the sob-story merchants, most of whom at that time, in that place, were Irish "traveller" types, who would get the tube in each morning from North London, spend the day begging around Tottenham Court Road with their rag-clothed toddlers in tow, then go home each evening to their presumably comfortable homes,
I've come across similar. It's said they collect enough money each month to compare with top salaries!
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I've come across similar. It's said they collect enough money each month to compare with top salaries!
I guess it depends on what you call a top salary!

Lets say a "couple" want to pull in a gross income of 250k (all figures GBP) - they'd bring home around 150k after tax and 6% pension contribution - which is at least matched by their employer - 12% = 30k.

So Mr and Mrs Begger are on the tube - so lets say they work separately - and because they are "professional" beggars (which is good thing - there is nothing worse than an amateur beggar - works in a bank during then day and then on the tube to beg - or perhaps I mean they're just quite good at it - again a good thing, there is nothing worse then being begged incompetently "Spare any change Mr?"); they work long hours - I'm going for 12hrs a day for 300 days per year.

So that works out at 7200 begging hours per year - in order to earn 180k (150k salary and 30k pension pot - noting as they are begging they are not having to pay taxes - well they should, but, why should they - they can just fly tip their rubbish). All that equates to 25 per hour - every hour - or 1 every 2 minutes.

That last statistic is vaguely believable - I can imagine, at rush hour, at least 1 person in a 2minute period giving them 1 to simply f^* off - I'm just not convinced that number is entirely scaleable.

The only way I can see it working is if you have a large number of beggars working for you - who you "pay" good money - skim a percentage off and enforce the whole operation with violence. Combine that with a bit of human trafficing, light prostitution and a small piece of the drugs pie and you could live quite comfortably.
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you did it wrong. you lend him the 100 and say you will keep the 1000 for security and give 900 back to him later when he calls.
I would'nt be surprised if the 1,000 notes are fake.

I have to say that you have done well to get as far as you have through life. Try to learn a little about empathy. How it works and the benefits of not assisting others but rather helping them learn how to take care of themselves. Within reason of course.

At the end of the day the choice is yours though. And what you are doing is realy little different to what happens to charity money sent to Africa etc. Most goes to help the warlords' army in the form of medical supplies etc and a little actualy goes to the ones who need it the most. Is'nt it a nice thing that you are seeing the people you help? I think yes. And as time goes by you will learn how to ignore the scamers.

Good luck on learning better who the needy are.

And bear in mind that without peole like you the Olympic games and countless other events would never happen and millions would be dying all over the world from starvation and exploitation.

Just do me one favour. Dont pick up hitch hikers. The world needs you too much.
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Wanna help someone?

If a tourist (mugged, no cash, credit card problems, lost passport, etc.), escort them to the next police station (e.g., at the SBB station) and help them explain the situation, or try to contact their consulate.

If it's a vagrant, buy him a sandwich and a drink, and if you feel charitable engage in a conversation to see if you can really be of help or search for someone that can actually help.

I was asked for money by tourists supposedly in troubles in Gundeli, Basel, and wondered how quick they beg for cash instead of using your phone to make a call to their embassy or of ask you for guidance in such a situation. And moved along.

Oh, well…
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A few years ago there was a beggar lady who would sit on the steps of the Charmilles post office in Geneva. Sometimes with numerous babies, changed monthly. They may have been her grandchildren, who knows. She was not rude nor obnoxious. People would give her food and drinks and some change. She almost became part of the post office. The staff would take her a sandwich!!

One day some bastard had painted in white paint in front of the post office, "pas de mendiants" - no beggars. Great big wall painting brush strokes.

In my mind, that is obnoxious. That lady, whether she was part of a higher "mafia" gang of professional beggars, was liked. She never came back, but did move round the corner to the Coop where people continued to try to help her.

She didn't speak much French nor English. But she had kind eyes, and was quite old. And then she never came back ever. I sometimes wonder about her. As do a few of my friends who live up that way.

Recently it's the "beggars" who have dogs that seem to be in fashion. They know damn well most people will melt over a dog. The dogs all seem to be very healthy. Perhaps dogs have taken over from babies in the begging circle.

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One day some bastard had painted in white paint in front of the post office, "pas de mendiants" - no beggars.

In my mind, that is obnoxious. That lady, whether she was part of a higher "mafia" gang of professional beggars, was liked. She never came back, but did move round the corner to the Coop where people continued to try to help her.
Helping others has a lot to do with appeasing your conscience. How does throwing spare change actually help someone, especially, if you suspect being framed?
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I don't throw spare change. What i was trying to explain was that not all beggars are buggers.

What do you do? I actually help at a red cross shelter who helped me when i was almost on the bread line. Yes, it happens to expats in Switzerland... we can go down the drain into the shit - but we always make our way up again...

I did it, and so can others. Still not up all the way, but about 70 percent. You don't want to know about my 45 years of living living here, boring!!

This is my home. Which i love.

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I feel sorry for you ,you are too kind but hey ! it will not happen again next time ...right ? so Well ! we live to learn good luck. Chin up !
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What i was trying to explain was that not all beggars are buggers.
Then 45 years of living here had a toll on you.

All beggars are buggers to me, in the sense that there is someone there who must have lost everything (not just materially) to start doing that and something has to be done. Either you or the state engages. No need to groan at me, just try to understand my words. Why would any one in the post office just bring a sandwich instead of trying to know why she's doing that, if she has shelter, etc? How short-lived is some people's conscience…

Just don't fall for kind eyes, old age, babies, dogs, or…1000 Francs notes
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OK I am an idiot alright.
Theoretically yes, but a kind honest person you definitely are, this is the positive!

*You can lead your life knowing you're a kind person. Far too many assholes in this life, far too few kind honest people.

Put one down to experience and don't lend money to people unless you know and trust them.
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Sometimes with numerous babies, changed monthly.
Epic nappy rash!
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Theoretically yes, but a kind honest person you definitely are, this is the positive!

*You can lead your life knowing you're a kind person. Far too many assholes in this life, far too few kind honest people.

Put one down to experience and don't lend money to people unless you know and trust them.
Never lend money. GIVE it. If you give money to someone then you don`t expect it back. Sometimes they do give it back. And sometimes they don`t. At least you will never be disappointed. Lending is a dangerous game. Especially with money.

So, if you don`t have the need of it for the money asked of you, just say "Sorry no I don`t have it to give you". Or give it freely.
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I shall now be groaned because i shall come back into my "i have lived here for 45 years" mode.

In those 45 years i have lent, given and even borrowed money.

I have always paid back what i have borrowed. I did a little calculation about the money owed to me over, perhaps, 15 years. From when i had money until i was down that drain...

15,000 francs give or take a couple of thousand. Did i see even a centime of that money? Nah, and this is money lent to friends. Not some lady on the street.

Those "friends" now have either left the country or have changed their phone numbers.

I was gullible, i trusted them. I should have got a written contract done.

Silly me. I could do with that cash now.

But, i am not going to cry over that milk. One of the people involved knows that i know where he lives and works. I shall get my cash back.

Because i always think the best of people. And there is an itsy bitsy positive that he shall do the good thing and reimburse me. After 18 months.

My ex boyfriend owes me 4,000. Every time he sees me - he runs!!! I don't even have the chance of saying hello darlin' hows it going!!

I know the money has gone. But, i just wish that even one of those people that owe me would cough up. Just once. And say " thank you Patsy, you really helped me out when i was down and out". Even with a 100 franc note.

And, unfortunately, it hardens you up. Even someone coming up to me and asking for a cigarette. I say no. Those are mine.

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Never lend money. GIVE it. If you give money to someone then you don`t expect it back. Sometimes they do give it back. And sometimes they don`t. At least you will never be disappointed. Lending is a dangerous game. Especially with money.

So, if you don`t have the need of it for the money asked of you, just say "Sorry no I don`t have it to give you". Or give it freely.
I agree with Smoky. If I can, I give, but I never expect it back. If I get it back, great. If I don't feel comfortable/cannot, I don't give.

OP, put this experience down to a credit you have in the "Good Karma Bank". Alternatively, you paid a "Stupidity Tax" which we all pay, sooner or later, in some form or another.
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Recently it's the "beggars" who have dogs that seem to be in fashion. They know damn well most people will melt over a dog. The dogs all seem to be very healthy. Perhaps dogs have taken over from babies in the begging circle.
They must be reading EF
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So you think disabled children were thoroughly wicked in their previous lives, or what?
Not sure where I said that.

Karma means that your deeds catch up.
And that happens while you are still around.
Because I dont believe that you come back once you are dead.

Next time before selectively quoting my message, do inform yourself on the philosophy. May help.
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It's been a week since and I wonder if he eventually called
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Karma means that your deeds catch up.
And that happens while you are still around.
Because I dont believe that you come back once you are dead.

Next time before selectively quoting my message, do inform yourself on the philosophy. May help.
Perhaps you should read up on what Karma actually means, as the Buddhist (and pre-Buddhist) philosophy that defines it is intrinsically linked with reincarnation and the idea that Karma forms our current state of life based on what we have done in previous lives.

So you're talking about something completely different, perhaps defined better as 'What goes around comes around'.
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Well, if we are getting technical.....
Karma is Sanskrit. It is not buddhist only. The concept is found in Hinduism (or as you called it Pre-Buddhist, Jainism, Sikhism etc.)
Different interpretations exist for the concept.
Comes from the word Karm i.e. Action.
Depending on the school of thought you follow, Karma can be linked with re-incarnation or stand alone independent of that.
Some schools of hinduism accept the linkage. Others dont. Most schools of Buddhism accept the linkage.
The core foundation of Karma is Causality and that can be isolated within this life or extrapolated across lives.
I am sure you can read further on this if you are interested.
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Meet this stranger down the road asking me if I know any bank is open on Sunday (here in Basel). Said he just got a job here and just arrived and all his credit cards and stuff is with his wife who will come at a later day. He got several 1000 CHF notes (which I saw) and can not spend them and really need some change (later he said he has kids at home so I guess he was in a hurry to feed his kids). He was told he has to go to Zurich for that but his car is out of gas and he can not spend that 1000 buck note for gas. So I said let's try Claraplatz. I was just looking for food so decide to walk him. But when we almost got there he realized he checked there this morning and it was not openning. Then he asks if I can lend him 100 bucks for gas and he will give me back after he changed those notes in Zurich (couple of hours he said). I did hesitated but still picked up a 100 CHF and give to him. Then we got to a store where they sell lotteries to find a pen and I wrote my number on a pad so that he can call me when he got back. I guess in principle I should ask to keep some of his id card or sth but as we were walking down we had a lot of nice chat and I was embarrassed to ask. He knew I am a student and not making money, so he said he will give me 50 chf more as a thank you. I said it will not be necessary. Anyway, now it's getting late and he did not call. Maybe he just lost my number or sth, but I am just not happy about this. And the similar event happend to me once in Paris (the loss is 40CHF that time). I knew it is not a lot but I am not making any money (supported by parents doing master's here). Not revealing details about him in case he just lost my number or sth, but he said he is from New York. Normally I would recognize America accent right away but his kinda sounds Australian to me. Then he told me he grew up in Hawaii. And when he knew I am Chinese he said his sister married to a Chinese and he has been to Shanghai twice. Anyway, just feel bad and post this story here. If indeed he happened to lost the number or sth then I apologize.
Really??? Are people still gullible?
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