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Re: To SVP: Stop picking on Muslim Women

When you look carefully at the SVP, and it's reputation, you find that most of the SVP members are not highly educated, nor are they high earners. Most Swiss consider them to be similar to the early National Socialists in Germany in the early 1930's, they are a joke. Thankfully they will never achieve absolute power as they only appeal to the extreme people amongst us.
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Re: To SVP: Stop picking on Muslim Women

Actually, I believe it is the men of that particular race/culture who get picked on - simply because it is an alien concept in this democratic country? The women are just wearing what they wear because their men tell them to wear it?

If the concept of "being picked on" is so distasteful, it can be simply solved by returning to the country where one is NOT "picked on"?

Actually, coming right down to brass tacks - if that other culture is so superior and better than here, why has it not worked there? In other words why not return to the lands of "milk and honey"? And live there in "peace and tranquility"? Is there something not functioning there? Why not?

Just questions.
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If the concept of "being picked on" is so distasteful, it can be simply solved by returning to the country where one is NOT "picked on"?
Maybe for some of these women, the concept of being 'picked on', is better than the reality of being gang-raped, shot at or blown up?
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Old 23.10.2015, 12:15
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Re: To SVP: Stop picking on Muslim Women

How is the SVP picking on Muslim women? I know of 1 poster of a woman in a burka with misslerettes in the background. Is that it? Is that all? That was the "stoning"?

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Maybe for some of these women, the concept of being 'picked on', is better than the reality of being gang-raped, shot at or blown up?
Or getting stoned (literally) for falling in love with the "wrong" person.
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Most Swiss consider them to be similar to the early National Socialists in Germany in the early 1930's.
The trains in Switzerland always run on time, or so I am told.

Actually, it's mostly misinformed foreigners who think they are like anything from the 1930s.

Most Swiss, even those who don't sympathise with the SVP, don't subscribe to that comparison.
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I dont know why but I get this feeling that we have a phony here. Reminds me of Petra the nice camera woman.

Stur up the pot somewhere else.
Not sure what you mean.

Are you saying I'm not sincere?

Posters ostracizing a poor segment of women genuinely upsets me.

It doesn't matter that it's women or a particular religion or race. Posters isolating and bringing down a specific population segment is bad for everyone. Perhaps some day they will come after you.
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yes, I imagine the women concerned look at it and are not too happy about it either.
I would hope most women of all backgrounds wouldn't like it.

I wonder if most women (1/2 of the Swiss voters) look at the posters and think, just the fact that I am a woman, who has come from centuries of being the less powerful gender, there is an element of me in that poster depiction. In different circumstances, that could just as easily be me.

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Because Switzerland has true democracy (or as close as it gets) and free speech? The SVP are just one (admittedly large) political party and regardless of whether we agree with their sentiments or not, they have as much right to legally voice their opinions as any other party.
I am not for censorship either.

I will fight for the KKK's freedom of speech (in the US) and right to make idiots of themselves.

I am more concerned that more of the population doesn't consider this kind of singling out and ostracizing a particular group, as veering dangerously towards the KKK or Germany in 1930. I am not saying the SVP will continue down the path of those examples, just that this kind of ostracizing should be so distasteful and against common values that the posters should completely backfire and the party start to be seen almost as ridiculous as we consider the KKK in the US, if they do this kind of ostracizing of disadvantaged women.
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Most Swiss consider them to be similar to the early National Socialists in Germany in the early 1930's
This is exactly what I wish more people had on their mind.
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Actually, I believe it is the men of that particular race/culture who get picked on - simply because it is an alien concept in this democratic country? The women are just wearing what they wear because their men tell them to wear it?

If the concept of "being picked on" is so distasteful, it can be simply solved by returning to the country where one is NOT "picked on"?

Actually, coming right down to brass tacks - if that other culture is so superior and better than here, why has it not worked there? In other words why not return to the lands of "milk and honey"? And live there in "peace and tranquility"? Is there something not functioning there? Why not?

Just questions.
It seems at some point, the argument always comes down to "if you/they don't like it, go back home".

At some point down the line, you become part of the society and get to have a say.
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How is the SVP picking on Muslim women? I know of 1 poster of a woman in a burka with misslerettes in the background. Is that it? Is that all?
Over the past five or more years there have been several different posters depicting muslim women in a very ominous way, in black with dark red background, depending on their current campaign. Besides the misslerettes, there are others, such as the ones you currently see around town for the current campaign.

Perhaps this is not that big of deal to you, but if you are part of a group on the bottom, you don't feel you have a lot of power or are a part of the world you live in daily and the only depiction you see in your community of people with your background like you looks like this, over time it would have an impact on how you feel about yourself and your place in this society.

We're all interconnected. Studies show that they way the disenfranchised are treated in a community affects the mental health of everyone, including the elite in a community.
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Actually, it's mostly misinformed foreigners who think they are like anything from the 1930s.

Most Swiss, even those who don't sympathise with the SVP, don't subscribe to that comparison.
Yes, I agree it is a dangerous comparison.

I more wish it was a stronger common value to not ostracize one segment of the population or go anywhere near that path.
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Re: To SVP: Stop picking on Muslim Women

All these comments and, except for 1-2 comments, no one seems to say:

"Yea, demonizing badly oppressed women really sucks" or something to that effect.
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When you look carefully at the SVP, and it's reputation, you find that most of the SVP members are not highly educated, nor are they high earners. Most Swiss consider them to be similar to the early National Socialists in Germany in the early 1930's, they are a joke. Thankfully they will never achieve absolute power as they only appeal to the extreme people amongst us.
Oh come off it Sbrinz. You may not agree with their politics, but to reduce it to "it's because they're thick" is generalisation on an industrial scale. Considering that they are the largest single party in the conseil nationale suggests that "most Swiss" don't consider them to be anything of the sort.
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Oh come off it Sbrinz. You may not agree with their politics, but to reduce it to "it's because they're thick" is generalisation on an industrial scale. Considering that they are the largest single party in the conseil nationale suggests that "most Swiss" don't consider them to be anything of the sort.
The same sort of argument gets levelled at UKIP in the UK. Back in the 80s in Germany when the Greens were still a start-up party you often heard their voters were naive and simplistic and didn't understand issues and lived in cloud cuckoo land.

It's the normal way the political establishment deals with the new kid on the block. It is also counter-productive as by saying the new kid is stupid and ridiculing his arguments, you're not addressing the issues and as such aren't generating credible responses. You are this abandoning leadership on entire topics to the new kid.
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Considering that they are the largest single party in the conseil nationale suggests that "most Swiss" don't consider them to be anything of the sort.
What I find disturbing is that in the US, if the republicans or democrats put up posters in the upcoming elections depicting a group of a particular background in a dark ominous way, it would be considered political suicide, there would be a huge uproar, outcry, people in the streets ....

.... I realize I am on very dangerous ground here, because the US has had and still have had huge problems with treatment of minorities .....

Nonetheless, I don't think the major parties would decide to produce posters depicting muslim women in dark red and black and I believe they would really suffer if they did or at minimum suffer more than the SVP seems to from this type of behavior.

However, it does not seem that there is very strong negative consequences for the SVP in demonizing segments of the population.

.... once again, I am not holding up the US as a paragon of virtue on this topic .... I am just saying that this would be quickly dismissed as an absolute no-go in other countries, such as the US or Canada, whereas currently this type of political behavior seems more stomached here with less consequences.
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Old 23.10.2015, 14:11
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Perhaps this is not that big of deal to you, but if you are part of a group on the bottom, you don't feel you have a lot of power or are a part of the world you live in daily and the only depiction you see in your community of people with your background like you looks like this, over time it would have an impact on how you feel about yourself and your place in this society.
If true, it would quite pathetic if they would only draw on such posters as their source of identity. It would also indicate such posters hits some nerve of truth they do not come to terms with. Just about every group in the world is insulted in one way or another. If everybody behaved like eggshells, we would be in a lot more trouble. Seriously, they do have a stronger sense of identity than those posters, and you know that.

I don't think the SVP is the problem here. I think such Muslim women, if they are truly devastated by this as you claim, really should harden up a bit or get a sense of humour. I think it is very therapeutic to laugh at oneself. Give it a try some time. You won't lose anything because of it. It will lighten you up, and might even make you happier.
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What is it with caricatures and cartoons that people take so seriously? How did that happen? Was it too much Disney/Warner Brothers or not enought?

Psssst, it ain't real folks.
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Yeah SVP, stop picking on Muslim women...

Though keep up with the poster campaigns as they're good for the lolz.

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Re: To SVP: Stop picking on Muslim Women

True.

This is one of my favourites. Except, to the Americans, it's not supposed to be funny. It's deadly serious.




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Although to be fair I think this is more accurate

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