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Old 23.10.2015, 14:40
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What I find disturbing is that in the US, if the republicans or democrats put up posters in the upcoming elections depicting a group of a particular background in a dark ominous way, it would be considered political suicide, there would be a huge uproar, outcry, people in the streets ....
Apparently The Donald didn't get the memo.

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Old 23.10.2015, 14:46
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Old 23.10.2015, 15:27
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True.

This is one of my favourites. Except, to the Americans, it's not supposed to be funny. It's deadly serious.



That's true enough. None of it.
Well, I think Americans have bigger problems than a drawing of a Swedish dude, wearing a dress, on a brontosaures. They seem to like the dude in a dress juxtaposition quite a lot these days.
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Old 23.10.2015, 15:31
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What I find disturbing is that in the US, if the republicans or democrats put up posters in the upcoming elections depicting a group of a particular background in a dark ominous way, it would be considered political suicide, there would be a huge uproar, outcry, people in the streets ....

.... I realize I am on very dangerous ground here, because the US has had and still have had huge problems with treatment of minorities .....

Nonetheless, I don't think the major parties would decide to produce posters depicting muslim women in dark red and black and I believe they would really suffer if they did or at minimum suffer more than the SVP seems to from this type of behavior.

However, it does not seem that there is very strong negative consequences for the SVP in demonizing segments of the population.

.... once again, I am not holding up the US as a paragon of virtue on this topic .... I am just saying that this would be quickly dismissed as an absolute no-go in other countries, such as the US or Canada, whereas currently this type of political behavior seems more stomached here with less consequences.
I'm sorry to break this to you, but you're not in Kansas any more. You're not even in the US or in Canada. You're in Switzerland. People here are have a different history and different things offend them. You need to see things in their own context and not in your context.

People here don't get offended over the Confederate flag either. And they don't celebrate 4th July. Is that inconsiderate of them too?
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People here don't get offended over the Confederate flag either. And they don't celebrate 4th July. Is that inconsiderate of them too?
Is it because the Swiss are racialists?
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True.

This is one of my favourites. Except, to the Americans, it's not supposed to be funny. It's deadly serious.






That's true enough. None of it.
I was told he rode a tyrannosaurus into battle against satan's legions
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Jesus never rode on a Dinosaur. Noah ate them all in the ark.
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Jesus never rode on a Dinosaur. Noah ate them all in the ark.
And it served them right, seeing they was against Freedoms.
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Thankfully (the SVP) will never achieve absolute power as they only appeal to the extreme people amongst us.
Please go to http://www.politik-stat.ch/nrw2015CH_de.html and look at the results for SVP and "Kleine Rechtsparteien" (which would be right of the SVP).

You might notice that in Kanton Nidwalden, 82.8 per cent of the votes went to the SVP.

Overall, in all of Switzerland, 29.4 per cent of the votes, went to the SVP.

Are you trying to say that every third Swiss voter is an extremist?

I believe it is important to appreciate the position the SVP takes, and that these positions represent a seriously sizable proportions of the Swiss voters (and population). Only by appreciating that position is it possible to understand the motivation of voters, and, where more beneficial, address the voters' concerns by alternative means.

Please note that I am not making any statement about whether the SVP is right or wrong - but it must be clear that in a democracy the people's needs{*} are to be addressed. The SVP apparently is more successful in doing that than other parties.

{*} needs - this can be sweet talking as much as delivering results
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Over the past five or more years there have been several different posters depicting muslim women in a very ominous way, in black with dark red background, depending on their current campaign. Besides the misslerettes, there are others, such as the ones you currently see around town for the current campaign.

Perhaps this is not that big of deal to you, but if you are part of a group on the bottom, you don't feel you have a lot of power or are a part of the world you live in daily and the only depiction you see in your community of people with your background like you looks like this, over time it would have an impact on how you feel about yourself and your place in this society.

We're all interconnected. Studies show that they way the disenfranchised are treated in a community affects the mental health of everyone, including the elite in a community.
I havent read past this post, so am replying rather early.

If one is feeling as the emboldened part above, then is that not a reason to change and try to fit in? Why choose to remain "alien" looking? Dress like the majority of "normal citizens" and you may feel better about yourself?

When in Rome do as the Romans do - very old advice.
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Old 23.10.2015, 17:50
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You might notice that in Kanton Nidwalden, 82.8 per cent of the votes went to the SVP.
This might be because NW has only one seat in the Nationalrat and there was only one other candidate besides the SVP guy.
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Doh! Read that as "Stop picking up Muslim women". My bad.
If muslim guys want us to stop picking up their women, then they should stop gift wrapping them for us
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Old 23.10.2015, 18:03
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Methinks the question should be why do we distrust people wearing a face cover?
You can't see a person's facial expression, something that we take for granted as most of our societies communication is non verbal and relies on being able to decipher expressions, take that away and our senses go haywire and we revert back to good old stone age flee or fight. Of course we no longer bop a wearer over the head with a club and we don’t run screaming up a tree, but those circuits in our brains get activated putting us on high alert, that makes wearing a facial cover in our society unacceptable.
So if you want to live here, get rid of the mask.
Then!
It's a mask, in our culture a person wearing a mask is shifty at best, something to be feared at worst, wearing a mask has meant the same thing throughout history.
We have a lot of negative tinted sayings dedicated to wearing a mask, "hiding behind a mask," or "under a mask" or "the mask has dropped" etc.
In ancient Greece actors wore masks, so did the Romans and in the Renaissance the Comedia del arte was played with masks.
People who want to hide something will wear a mask; every bank robber just graduated knows this.

Who here, and be honest now, hasn't felt a twang of unease when coming face to mask with a Muslim woman?
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Old 23.10.2015, 18:16
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This is one of my favourites. Except, to the Americans, it's not supposed to be funny. It's deadly serious.
See, comments like this prove Americans be the most oppressed and sht. That is a punch in the eye, stomp on the head, or kick in the balls.

Hang on while we find someone to blame. It might be the CIA or the Jews.

There seems to be some value in playing the victim. Can we get a welfare check now?
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When you look carefully at the SVP, and it's reputation, you find that most of the SVP members are not highly educated, nor are they high earners. Most Swiss consider them to be similar to the early National Socialists in Germany in the early 1930's, they are a joke. Thankfully they will never achieve absolute power as they only appeal to the extreme people amongst us.
Ummm...didn't they win a majority at the polls this last Sunday? Not a 50 percent plus but the most seats? Tell me the joke now.
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Actually, I believe it is the men of that particular race/culture who get picked on - simply because it is an alien concept in this democratic country? The women are just wearing what they wear because their men tell them to wear it?

If the concept of "being picked on" is so distasteful, it can be simply solved by returning to the country where one is NOT "picked on"?

Actually, coming right down to brass tacks - if that other culture is so superior and better than here, why has it not worked there? In other words why not return to the lands of "milk and honey"? And live there in "peace and tranquility"? Is there something not functioning there? Why not?

Just questions.
Milk and Honey...you mean Israel? Are Muslims welcome there these days?
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Ummm...didn't they win a majority at the polls this last Sunday? Not a 50 percent plus but the most seats? Tell me the joke now.
That isn't a majority though, just a fact of how many parties share various viewpoints and votes. If you combined a couple of the other parties they could also get a larger vote. If the SVP split had been more successful they would have a smaller proportion.

The thing is, since the Swiss parliament is never going to see a single party majority it doesn't really matter; concensus is necessary, meaning extreme views at either end will be removed - on the whole a good result for democracy.
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That isn't a majority though, just a fact of how many parties share various viewpoints and votes. If you combined a couple of the other parties they could also get a larger vote. If the SVP split had been more successful they would have a smaller proportion.

The thing is, since the Swiss parliament is never going to see a single party majority it doesn't really matter; concensus is necessary, meaning extreme views at either end will be removed - on the whole a good result for democracy.
Majority...I meant most. Not some joke of a party.
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Milk and Honey...you mean Israel? Are Muslims welcome there these days?
They make up 17% of the population, so I guess so.
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They make up 17% of the population, so I guess so.
In Israel? The land of Milk and Honey?
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