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Re: To SVP: Stop picking on Muslim Women

SVP's picking on foreigners, muslims, refugees, etc... is their bread and butter. Unless you understand this or Esops "Scorpion and Frog" tale it does make no sense to contribute to this thread.
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Re: To SVP: Stop picking on Muslim Women

Intolerance in one form of another common to all cultures. If it is defensible or not, it is a form of self-preservation. No shortage of it anywhere and without naming names - in all* religions and countries. I have noticed, however, that many 'foreign' religions and nationalities are intolerant of their guest countries, and spend a lot of time wringing their hands about not being accepted instead of making an attempt to do so. Adapt and be accepted, or insist on being different and put up with the flak - the ball is in your court. Not trying to be hateful or racist, but it is a observation of simple human nature.


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Sorry, really don't understand. Can you explain what you mean?

Muslim women are evil and menacing?

As gender ethnic groups around the world, they are one of the ones who have it the toughest with the least voice and power.

Also, the Muslim women who have been given permission to live in CH, are going to have the biggest influence on the integration of the next generation of Swiss with Muslim heritage. (i.e. if you want to succeed in helping a kid, teach their mother).

Wouldn't it be a good idea to help them feel good about their part in contributing to the future of Switzerland?

The irony of all this is that many Muslim women (and families in general) often have fairly conservative views and typically share many of the same basic values as the SVP on things such as family, etc.

Many would actually vote towards the right of the spectrum and there are many platforms from the more left parties that many wouldn't go for.

However, being depicted as evil might put a damper on championing the SVP in their communities.

Personally I am more confused than you right now.


The Muslim religion in general gives women not rights or respect and even in todays modern times still exercises punishments like stoning and you are enraged by the way they are depicted in a poster.


Would you perhaps prefer a poster showing a suicide bomber to represent Islam.


It saddens me that successful and civilized cultures built on Christianity are being forced to accept Islam.


If Islam is so great that oppressed women feel they need to belong to this particular religion, then why not keep Islam where it started and build a great country on their own soil based on their own religion and leave ours alone.


I know that it is coming but in this case I really do not mind - go ahead and groan at this post, it beats being stoned
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Over time now, crossing several different campaigns, a pattern is starting to develop. It is the image of an ominous villainous muslim woman in foreboding black and red.

I am not an SVP-poster expert, but I can think of four different posters on different topics at different times over the past few years that were plastered over Switzerland with a muslim woman depicted as an evil looking threat and these are the only images of muslim women that they depict.

I'm just saying that it says something that at the very minimum, it is for the most part considered a complete non-starter for a major political party in many other western countries around the world to spend buckets of money on posters depicting a racial group as evil in dark black and red as a menace to society and that there would be negative political consequences for doing so.
There is freedom of religion and free speech in Switzerland, and there is also an anti-racism law. People and organisations can be fined for denigrating a race. But these posters do not meet the legal criteria for breaking anti-racism laws, and I believe it has been brought up in court.

The reason is that the burka is considered a symbol of Political Islam and Islamism, not a particular race nor the religion of Islam. Even Muslim countries have had laws banning the wearing burka in public for that same reason. This is the legal ground by which these posters are allowed in Switzerland. They are not about Muslim women, as you propose. And as a public political statement, the SVP is allowed to to rebut it as a political symbol.

I think you are assuming that all Muslim women identify with the burka. From what I have heard from Muslims and read, that is not true. The burka is NOT Islam. But perhaps you are making the jump that the burka should represent ALL Muslim women, and then projecting it onto the SVP, while many Muslims reject the association with the burka.

So don't be racist.
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Re: To SVP: Stop picking on Muslim Women

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Personally I am more confused than you right now.


The Muslim religion in general gives women not rights or respect and even in todays modern times still exercises punishments like stoning and you are enraged by the way they are depicted in a poster.


Would you perhaps prefer a poster showing a suicide bomber to represent Islam.


It saddens me that successful and civilized cultures built on Christianity are being forced to accept Islam.


If Islam is so great that oppressed women feel they need to belong to this particular religion, then why not keep Islam where it started and build a great country on their own soil based on their own religion and leave ours alone.


I know that it is coming but in this case I really do not mind - go ahead and groan at this post, it beats being stoned
Unfortunately a lot of misconceptions..... stoning has nothing to do with Islam. Just name countries where stoning is being applied? There are more than 1.5 billion muslims in the world and the isolated cases in Afghanistan or ISIS are being used to mis-represent Islam. ISIS is not islam.
By the way, christianity had also some very violent aspects during middle ages and even recently (paedophilia)...does it mean that all christians are violent or pedophils?

No one is obliged to accept or like Islam...what I don't like is the usage of wrong arguments, untruth, ignorance to propagate hatred.
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Re: To SVP: Stop picking on Muslim Women

Looks to me that this thread has gone wildly off-topic, as well as, in some cases, coming dangerously close to being what the Local's T&C refer to as 'religious propaganda', so I'll close this off here.
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