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Hi every one i have been looking for a place and its getting to two months i go to the views and sign all the forms but all of that the time i spend doing all that is just a waist of time. No one want to give a place because i am not working at moment but the social service will pay the rent and they gave me a paper to show all the owners. Now i have no idea where to look for a place or to go. Does any one have suggestions. Thanks

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are there are no council homes available?
Also there are some apartment blocks that are filled with people in social assistance, owners want that kind of tenant in that case because they can rent out the apartments higher than what they're actually worth, you could find out where those are.
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They only have emergency shelters but u must move out after 3 months. Thanks i will look for those buildings and ask people there who to speak with in order for me to get a place.
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I came to switzerland two months ago my visa has expired now the immigration want me out of Switzerland. I have Swiss kids and i am from [a non-EU country]
I don't know if the information in this post of yours is still true. Have you a new visa? Has your situation changed?

Since there are so very many people looking for flats with 'reasonable' prices, those renting them can afford to be choosy.
Two sections in the Housing Forum on here might help.
Lists of Rental Agencies and many Threads with helpful information on renting
Don't be put off by the title. I just couldn't think of any phrase which covered even half the threads in this Sticky!
There may be links which no longer work, but there are plenty of others which surely do.

And in particular, this Thread. It gives ideas on how to improve your chances of getting flats you have viewed and applied for.

Good luck in your hunt.
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Good day yes it has changed. I wrote a letter to the immigration officer i told them about the kids life in [my home country] and i told them i am not refusing to leave the country [Switzerland] but i will go with out the kids. They answer i can stay but they want me to give them few documents and proof the relationship between father and the kids wish is easy but for the criminal record its hard to get as i am here but i went to Bern the took my fingerprints and i have send it to [my home country] police now i must wait 6 to 8 weeks but i know it will be more because in [my home country] they take a very long time to do this things. Thank you for giving me hope on finding a place.

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I receive money from Social Services.

I have been on the list for an apartment for three years. I went to a sort of information workshop about this, two weeks ago. The lady told us that in Geneva you should expect to wait at least four years for a "council flat". Interesting, because when i went to the same workshop two years ago she told us two years!!

This also depends on your situation. If you are a single mother with kids, a married couple or just a single like me.

Good luck. I have found that, here in Geneva, they are very amiable and understand problems. It can get frustrating. I have had hissy fits, which don't really help me at all!! There are flats out there, I hear about them. But i am on some sort of list. Or i go to friends flat and hear that they only pay 800.- for a 3 pieces, all new kitchen and bathroom and balcony. And those are council flats. I don't know how to get on the list for one of those. This week i shall ask.

You have to take every single document you can think of to the Service de logements (don't know the German name). Sign with them, and you have to call them or even better go in person every two to three months. Just to make sure you are still in the system. Your social worker should be able to help you fill in the forms. Mine was an absolute angel with her help. I even took papers they didn't actually need, just in case.

I understand your frustration. I also have all the documents re- rental payment, deposit payment, no ongoing debts etc. I have visited loads of flats within my budget, filled in the papers - all for nothing. All my furniture, clothes, books, plates cups everything etc have been in storage for four years. My tv and computer are at a friends house, I had to give the cat away. It is a shitty way to live. But, I do have a roof over my head. Not a forever home, but a roof. Which the Social Services pay a lot for. This is not a council flat, this is what they call a "pension".

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In Zurich, there is an organisation which tries to make connections between people with low incomes and landlords.

For example, if a landlord intends to tear down a building in six months' time, sometimes people don't want to rent there, or the landlord is afraid that the tenants won't leave when they are supposed to, before the building-work starts. This organisation tries to get such landlords to rent out anyway, through them, and tries to find tenants who promise to make no trouble. Obviously, that's not ideal in terms of making a safe and permanent home for yourself, but it can be a life-saver when there are no other options.

http://www.domicilwohnen.ch/index.php?siteId=40
Here, it says that only those people who have a steady income from a job may phone them. And that people who are receiving money from the social services should contact the social worker (at the social services office) who is in charge of their case. These social workers are familiar with the Domicil organisation

I hope something works out for you.

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Also there are some apartment blocks that are filled with people in social assistance, owners want that kind of tenant in that case because they can rent out the apartments higher than what they're actually worth, you could find out where those are.
I have not heard of this system before. Do you know of any such landlords in Zurich, please?
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I receive money from Social Services.
Thank for the useful information and i am single with Swiss kids. I am very sorry that you had to go through all this but things will change some day.

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Thank so much i am working on it now. Other landlords they make me feel like i am nothing when i go to view the flats when i tell them how i will be paying for the flat I am tired to go through all this.

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I have not heard of this system before. Do you know of any such landlords in Zurich, please?
no sorry, i only know there are some in ticino, but social workers should know if there are at all?
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And there's also the fact of "if you don't ask, you don't get". I was staying with a friend.

He suddenly decided that he wanted me out, like in an hour. (supposedly i stole two phones to sell and buy drugs with!! My reponse was that his ancient phones were probably worth 2 francs!!) So i ended up in a hotel, paid for by my mother. The next day my social worker had found me somewhere to move into within two days. And that was after two years of flat searching.

You really have to push them.

With children, you should have no problem at all finding somewhere. It may not be ideal, but at least it will be somewhere warm and then you can peacefully look for a more permanent place.

My advise is to really talk honestly with your social worker about the situation. And, you know, if you feel that she or he is not helping you enough - you can ask to meet with another social worker. That is your right. I had one that even frightened her colleagues!!

Winter is coming. I am sure they will not leave you out on the street. They can't. Whether your children are Swiss or not. Obviously, in your situation schools come into consideration too. Crying helps too!! Great big belly sobs!! And that was what a male friend of mine told me!! Melts the heart of even the most hardened social worker.

Just don't lie. They find everything out, especially moneywise.

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Thank you i will be meeting the social worker tomorrow.
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Please let us know how you get on.

Your story may help others. As i hope mine has.
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Hi I wish I had good news but my situation has not changed until now.
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Well, I do have a job but it doesn't make finding an apartment any easier. The housing market in this country - especially in Zürch - is insane! I must have been to 10 viewings last week, fill in a ton of paperwork, and still didn't get any of the apartments. I have all necessary papers, speak 5/10 German, have all the recommendation letters...I don't get it. I'm in a shortstay apartment right now and the owner says he's making over 50% of his revenue (there are about 30 apartments) over people like me...Ausländer who take months to find ANY first apartment. /RANT and sorry to hyjack your thread.
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I first did the following in Munich, and it also worked in Bern.

When you see an apartment is advertised, with a viewing date in the future, go to the agent immediately and apply for the apartment in writing, but of course unseen. If the agent questions you, say you know the present tenant and have been inside the apartment before and like it.

The main point is that you will probably be at the top of the list, and there is every chance you will be chosen.

If you later don't take the apartment you might be asked to pay the agent Fr 100,-- for making the paper contract for you, but legally this is disputed, as it should be part of the agent's work.
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I have not heard of this system before. Do you know of any such landlords in Zurich, please?
Look up "Wohnbaugenossenschaft Zürich", such as Wogeno. www.wbg-zh.ch seems to be the regional federation's site where you can apply to them all with one form.

Additionally Zürich city itself has many apartments at reduced rents, check this site.
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Yes, the City of Zurich owns many flats. Some have special conditions attached to them, such as maximum income levels, or minumum number of persons living in the flat, or only for families or for persons with a disability or an old-age pension. Others are so-called "free" meaning that tenants can be anyone and are not subject to the special conditions.
The currently available flats are published every Wednesday, here: https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/fd/de/i...mietungen.html
with the viewing times.

The form for the "Wohnbaugenossenschafte" is more or less a wish-form, and the Website says, explicitly, that filling it out does not guarantee that the info gets processed. There is, however, a useful section of that Website providing links to the websites of many individual Wohnbaugenossenschafte: http://www.wbg-zh.ch/mitglieder/die-mitglieder/. It is tedious work to look up each one, yet it is one of the ways to look for a flat.
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Thank do much about the information it will be useful.
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If you later don't take the apartment you might be asked to pay the agent Fr 100,-- for making the paper contract for you, but legally this is disputed, as it should be part of the agent's work.
They can legally ask for compensation if they actually do make a contract for you, send it to you, and you don't sign.

However this has to be reasonably compensation and it is established that 500.- is over the mark.

In practise they will normally ring you first, to tell you that they would like to offer the flat to you and to ask if you are still interested - so you normally only pay this kind of fees if you really mess up.
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