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Sulphuric acid also kills cancer cells in vitro. Should we also drink it?
I'm fully up for the scathing dismisal of nonsense fairytale quack cures which crop up here, but the link showed valid research on a reputable site.

Let's not discourage people from posting sensible stuff, just the rubbish.
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Old 09.11.2015, 16:40
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Old 09.11.2015, 17:03
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Sulphuric acid also kills cancer cells in vitro. Should we also drink it?
Sure, you go fist and tell us how it goes.

I just had a peep in my 2014 edition of Greys Anatomy and not one mention of our endocannabinoid system nor in any of my other medical books.
Things that make you go Hmmm.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endocannabinoid_system
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Old 09.11.2015, 17:09
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...I would like to do more research on the medical properties of cannabis like how it cures cancer, ms, epilepsy, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, arthritis, autism, etc, etc...
It might possibly help treat some of these things. It certainly won't heal all of them. It might be helpful with some cancers. It won't heal all of them - since "cancer" covers an enormous range of conditions.

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...chemo kills...
Bollocks. Literally. For example, chemo is effective against testicular cancer. From the place you already cited :
Stage I seminomas: These cancers can be cured in nearly all patients.
Stage I non-seminomas: Nearly all of these cancers can be cured.
For stage IB (T2, T3, or T4) If cancer is found in the lymph nodes, chemo is often recommended. Chemotherapy with the BEP regimen (bleomycin, etoposide, and cisplatin) for 2 cycles. This has a high cure rate,
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Old 09.11.2015, 17:22
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Sure, you go fist and tell us how it goes.
Jeez, that's a bit aggressive, isn't it?!
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Old 09.11.2015, 17:28
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Jeez, that's a bit aggressive, isn't it?!
Perhaps it's a non-medicinal cure for bowel cancer?
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Old 09.11.2015, 17:42
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Perhaps it's a non-medicinal cure for bowel cancer?
I know this cures bowl cancer. It has proven in vitro (I think that means "on glasses") efficacy.
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Old 09.11.2015, 17:58
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I know this cures bowl cancer. It has proven in vitro (I think that means "on glasses") efficacy.
Aaaand down the E.F drain we go.

Since you can't be bothered to read any research I leave you with this, it's a bunch of pictures that move. You might like it.

It's actually quite good. CNN Weed Documentary 3. The first two are also good.
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Re: Books not allowed in CH?

The embed didn't work, Cali Dreamer. I tried it, too, but I failed. For those with enquiring minds, here are the links to all three docs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3IMfIQ_K6U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJafxCqrfSo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnVHxOPEbqc

Let's objectively look at the science, use what's good, and discard what isn't. I thought Big Pharma was stellar at appropriating plant based medicine, calling the naturopaths/herbologists quacks, while behind closed door patenting purified compounds from the plants used by bashed and discredited people.

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Old 09.11.2015, 20:00
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... I thought Big Pharma was stellar at appropriating plant based medicine, calling the naturopaths/herbologists quacks, while behind closed door patenting purified compounds from the plants used by bashed and discredited people.

Cheers!
The difference between naturopaths/herbologists and big pharma is that big pharma less likely to claim that their products cure cancer without hard statistics to back it up.

Even if big pharma patent the purified compounds, that doesn't stop you taking the herbal remedy - now that it's been demonstrated through clinical trials to really work.
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Old 09.11.2015, 21:01
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The difference between naturopaths/herbologists and big pharma is that big pharma less likely to claim that their products cure cancer without hard statistics to back it up.

Even if big pharma patent the purified compounds, that doesn't stop you taking the herbal remedy - now that it's been demonstrated through clinical trials to really work.
That's the problem with some people, they can't think for themselves unless presented with "hard statistics". Hard statistics like 10,000 years of documented usage, worshiped by Jews as their annointment oil, used as a cure all before prohibition and have had hundreds if not thousands of people who claim it has cured their cancer. All while having a prohibition on researching it's medical properties even thought he U.S government has a damn patent on it. While there may not be any "hard satistics" at this very moment its only because permits for research have only recently been awarded and even though the research is still in its infancy what we do have looks very, very promising and tends to run parallel with THOUSANDS of years of testimonies.
"But not till it's confirmed in a triple double blind study will I believe one iota that cannabis cures anything."

Seriously.
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That's the problem with some people, they can't think for themselves unless presented with "hard statistics". Hard statistics like 10,000 years of documented usage, worshiped by Jews as their annointment oil, used as a cure all before prohibition and have had hundreds if not thousands of people who claim it has cured their cancer. All while having a prohibition on researching it's medical properties even thought he U.S government has a damn patent on it. While there may not be any "hard satistics" at this very moment its only because permits for research have only recently been awarded and even though the research is still in its infancy what we do have looks very, very promising and tends to run parallel with THOUSANDS of years of testimonies.
"But not till it's confirmed in a triple double blind study will I believe one iota that cannabis cures anything."

Seriously.
Got a bit difficult towards the end of the sentence I see.
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Old 09.11.2015, 21:44
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The difference between naturopaths/herbologists and big pharma is that big pharma less likely to claim that their products cure cancer without hard statistics to back it up.

Even if big pharma patent the purified compounds, that doesn't stop you taking the herbal remedy - now that it's been demonstrated through clinical trials to really work.
Your right, they don't claim anything except that side effects which may include dry mouth, vomiting, bloody diarrhea, sever stomach pain, impotency, sudden sex change, convulsions and or death. Ask your doctor if fukitol is right for you.

Cannabis side effects may include the munchies, hysterical laughing or forgetting where you placed your car keys and or jail time (location dependng) Okay, jokings over.

Speaking of this anointment oil it seems whats in the bible today (as far as ingredients) is quite toxic and carcinogenic. However some biblical scholars argue the original formula was with cannabis and then later either lost in translation or hidden on purpose to keep the priests employed. Anyways some people are trying this anointment oil with cannabis and are having tremendous results as a topical and even through ingestion. It seems cinnamon and cannabis have quite the synergy and this recipe in particular needs to be researched. But as they say, "if science can't prove it, it can't be true. To hell with what people say." I might make a batch even though there is no scientific literature to say anything on its effectiveness. Why? Because I believe in people, I also believe in science, both are fundamentally flawed.
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Your right, they don't claim anything except that side effects which may include dry mouth, vomiting, bloody diarrhea, sever stomach pain, impotency, sudden sex change, convulsions and or death. Ask your doctor if fukitol is right for you.

Cannabis side effects may include the munchies, hysterical laughing or forgetting where you placed your car keys and or jail time (location dependng) Okay, jokings over.

Speaking of this anointment oil it seems whats in the bible today (as far as ingredients) is quite toxic and carcinogenic. However some biblical scholars argue the original formula was with cannabis and then later either lost in translation or hidden on purpose to keep the priests employed. Anyways some people are trying this anointment oil with cannabis and are having tremendous results as a topical and even through ingestion. It seems cinnamon and cannabis have quite the synergy and this recipe in particular needs to be researched. But as they say, "if science can't prove it, it can't be true. To hell with what people say." I might make a batch even though there is no scientific literature to say anything on its effectiveness. Why? Because I believe in people, I also believe in science, both are fundamentally flawed.
More like: if it hasn't been proven, let's not all be suckers and start believing everything every whackjob throws at us.

But why are you still here? I got the impression a few posts back that you were flouncing out...?
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Old 09.11.2015, 22:41
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More like: if it hasn't been proven, let's not all be suckers and start believing everything every whackjob throws at us.

But why are you still here? I got the impression a few posts back that you were flouncing out...?
I think the fact that my post got quoted, with an incoherent (being generous) attempt at rebuttal, twice, I'd suggest irritation got in the way of the flounce. Perhaps California Dribbling needs to up their dose of medication.
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More like: if it hasn't been proven, let's not all be suckers and start believing everything every whackjob throws at us.

But why are you still here? I got the impression a few posts back that you were flouncing out...?
I never said I was leaving, only that the thread was going down the drain.
But then funnybone posted something sensible and saved it. I suggest everyone look at those links. It might open your eyes and maybe even your mind.
Dr. Sanjay Gupta even said "we have been systematically mislead on the benifits of cannabis". He was once a critic too, now he's a full scale advocate doing not one, but three different documentaries and the fourth is being worked on as we speak. Must be something there for CNN to do 4 documentaries on one subject.
I believe the science will prove what mankind has been saying since the beginning, cannabis heals.
We are in the mists of a medical revolution. FINALLY!!!!! I thought I'd die before this day came.
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When it comes to drugs, its effectiveness is all about the claims it makes. Its a little overboard to claim it heals all kinds of things. Although its perfectly okay to talk about how it might relieve stress, for getting a good laugh or having good sex. But just leave it at that. No need to make wild claims about it. Just enjoy it quietly to yourself, even if it does cure whatever.
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I think the fact that my post got quoted, with an incoherent (being generous) attempt at rebuttal, twice, I'd suggest irritation got in the way of the flounce. Perhaps California Dribbling needs to up their dose of medication.
No, I just thought of something funny like all those prescription drug commercials. But I'm not going to lower myself to your sad and pathetic level and start insulting people individually. But I will insult a large portion of a group, like EF. I know there are a lot of scientists here on EF but I wonder how important is their research when they can afford to be on EF all day everyday doing nothing but arguing, insulting or be littling anyone who does not have a status quo opinion. I mean what kind of pathetic life do you live to be on a Internet forum 24/7? Go outside, get some fresh air, light up a doobie and get laid, you people are way too anal and close minded. EF used to be a good forum but has steadily devolved into what it is now, a small group of nobodies with no lives who feel important only if they bring others down to their level. Anyways someday your B permit will expire and you'll be out of here, or you may stick around EF like some people who haven't lved here for years (Nil).
Not all of EFers are like this, but everyone knows which small pathetic clique I'm talking about.
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What a condescending reply Phos.

I know several very tradtional doctors, both in the UK, and here, who have turned to cannabis and have experienced serious help with their symptoms- which were very real indeed. None for cancer- but for Parkinsons, Motor Neurone and after a serious accident making them paraplegic.

I agree that saying cannabis cures all is not helpful at all. BTW my comment about ginger was for real, if anyone would like to do some research.
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