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Re: Swiss Supermarkets

I'm still awaiting Urs Max's response as to what he likes better.

There have been stories of locals complaining about too much choice in Migros and all that foreign looking muck should be removed from the shelves.

Is that the way you see it Urs?

Otherwise I'm at a loss to see why more choice in food is a bad thing.

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Re: Swiss Supermarkets

Migros Servette in Geneva has everything I need apart from the fact that it is expensive (obviously Suisse!). After the terrorist attack in Paris, I can't stand the long delay near the border between FR and CH then I decide to shop in Switzerland instead. Even though I feel like being stolen legally, it saves me a lot of time :v.

My advise for exotic products: Asian, Turkish, Portugese grocery stores; they have more than you think
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Even the local Denner sells red onions, what are you on about?

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Re: Swiss Supermarkets

The swiss supermarkets - I use the term loosely - are a national disgrace. How I dream of M & S or even Morrisons.

Why are there no foreign supermarkets here. I can only assume there is some high politics going on and Mr Migro has some powerful friends.
Charging over inflated prices for poor quality goods and closing at 4pm on a saturday afternoon. Im sure North Korea cant be worse.

I would love to see tesco/Carrefour etc come in here and show them how its done.

I can only assume the swiss dont complain because that would mean some kind of confrontational stance and more likely as most have about as much foreign experience as some small town in Kentucky they just don't know any better
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Otherwise I'm at a lose to see why more choice in food is a bad thing.
I thought I explained this already. I refer my learned friend to 1.
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The swiss supermarkets - I use the term loosely - are a national disgrace. How I dream of M & S or even Morrisons.

Why are there no foreign supermarkets here. I can only assume there is some high politics going on and Mr Migro has some powerful friends.
Charging over inflated prices for poor quality goods and closing at 4pm on a saturday afternoon. Im sure North Korea cant be worse.

I would love to see tesco/Carrefour etc come in here and show them how its done.

I can only assume the swiss dont complain because that would mean some kind of confrontational stance and more likely as most have about as much foreign experience as some small town in Kentucky they just don't know any better
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The swiss supermarkets - I use the term loosely - are a national disgrace. How I dream of M & S or even Morrisons.
Personally, I've shopped at neither of those so couldn't comment/

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Why are there no foreign supermarkets
Lidl and Aldi are two.

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I would love to see tesco/Carrefour etc come in here and show them how its done.
I wouldn't.

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I can only assume the swiss dont complain because that would mean some kind of confrontational stance and more likely as most have about as much foreign experience as some small town in Kentucky they just don't know any better
They don't complain simply because they like it like this.

Swiss food is basically nursery food. It lacks sophistication and was originally food that served a mountain community well (and it's still great after a day in the mountains)

The problem is that the Swiss can't see this and think their food is the best in the world.
That's the problem I have with it all and certain Swiss people can groan me as much as they like on this forum but they cannot come up with an argument that shows I am wrong in this.
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Re: Swiss Supermarkets

Ah Lidl and Aldi .

I have a theory on this - What is it 10 years now. I think maybe feeling a bit of pressure they would allow them in. The thinking being that Swiss people would not be seen dead in either of those shops. And to a certain extent its true.


Im sure the arrogance of the swiss thought this would be no competition at all. We shall see.

Next time you come off the mountain and venture into a foreign land - take a trip around Marks and Spencer or Waitrose - and tell all your friends what you see. They wont believe you.
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Re: Swiss Supermarkets

You've never shopped at M and S and you wouldnt like to see them come in to Switzerland.

You're not swiss are you. ?

If you aren't then you should apply for citizenship - you passed the first test
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Re: Swiss Supermarkets

You're a bit pompous aren't you?

The reason there are no Brit supermarkets here is because this is not the UK. You can get most Brit stuff here online or in specialist shops, set up for people who miss a bit of recognisable food. But, most have managed to live here for years without starving. And pick up their Marmite and bacon on their twice yearly easyjet flight home.

M & S? I go to Morrisons and Sainsburys when i am home.
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Swiss food is basically nursery food. It lacks sophistication and was originally food that served a mountain community well (and it's still great after a day in the mountains)
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This is a general misconception of both, the country's history and its culinary tradition.

Switzerland was – alongside England – the world’s first industrialized country (long before the US or Germany), with massive migration flows over all centuries (from mountain areas to the cities, from rural areas to the New World, from Germany and Austria to North Eastern Switzerland, from France to Geneva, from Italy to Zurich …), which makes it quite unique in a long tradition of reciprocal influx.

Swiss cuisine is known for its sophistication, especially in countries with less attention to culinary stuff like Germany, Russia, GB, the US and others; which is not only a single outstanding quality with regards to this very sector. Btw much more adapted to a normal life-style than that terribly fatty overcaloried stuff from all the aforementioned.

What didn’t come up in the discussion of this 3d, is that the Swiss are quite peculiar on some of the elements that makes a shopping an event, in the eyes of not a few.
E.g. opening hours and the fact that Migros and Coop themselves, by offering a broader choice and more shops, did manage to destroy local grocery stores which were a fix instititution in every village until +- 20 years ago.


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The problem is that the Swiss can't see this and think their food is the best in the world.
That's the problem I have with it all and certain Swiss people can groan me as much as they like on this forum but they cannot come up with an argument that shows I am wrong in this.
Of course local cuisine lost a lot, and new methods of production and distribution didn’t always pay its tribute to new influxes from new tendencies/immigrants/nouvelle cuisine or whatever.
You have a point in stating that Swiss supermarkets generally are of a tinier shape than those abroad;
However, it’s also a question of the market. Swiss grocery sector is smaller than the German, French or Italian one;
But on the one hand you don’t always find Swiss products abroad, nor would a Swiss like to have every day product of one single foreign place. For example, I do like German bread and even stuff like Harzer and Spreegurken, but please not every day. Same story with regards to Pizzoccheri Valtellinesi, gnocchi o polenta.
If one wants them, no problem, go get them; but as they are no part of the people of the Zurich region (neither of immigrants e.g. mainly from Southern Italy), don’t expect everybody to adapt to your personal preferences.

Btw. Are you sure you would get that same stuff in the US or England, e.g.?
I wouldn’t be sure neither about Germany in this case.
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Re: Swiss Supermarkets

There are loads of foreign shops and business in most countries. Amongst a few others food is just one of the basic needs in life and good food is a pleasure that almost everyone can afford and enjoy to some extent. But sadly its not easy here unless you have time. Yes the basics re here and my wife would much rather I cook her something than have a disappointing experience in a so called restaurant. And she likes schnitzel fries and 3 days old recycled vegetables that the swiss don't eat !.
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Er, no. I love Swiss food, but sophisticated it ain't.
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What didnít come up in the discussion of this 3d, is that the Swiss are quite peculiar on some of the elements that makes a shopping an event, in the eyes of not a few.
You are spot on there - nothing more the swiss like than their 5 minutes of fame at he checkout as they watch their stuff sail by piling up at the end of counter. And even more enjoyable when the shop is really busy like a station and you have to be asked for your 5 rappens worth of club points and a bit of fumbling for a credit card. Oh and a good conversation about *** knows what.
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Er, no. I love Swiss food, but sophisticated it ain't.
It depends, by what comparison.
If we are talking any English-speaking Country, England itself, Germany, Russia,


then for sure Swiss cuisine is far more sophisticated.


If we compare it to Italy, France, Spain also,


then probably not.


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You are spot on there - nothing more the swiss like than their 5 minutes of fame at he checkout as they watch their stuff sail by piling up at the end of counter. And even more enjoyable when the shop is really busy like a station and you have to be asked for your 5 rappens worth of club points and a bit of fumbling for a credit card. Oh and a good conversation about *** knows what.
You got that right. This is how things work in Switzerland, Italy, maybe France. Meanwhile e.g. a German starts sweating at that point, which is why I never go to the groceries with a certain part of my family, indeed. They simply don't get it.
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It depends, by what comparison.
If we are talking any English-speaking Country, England itself, Germany, Russia,


then for sure Swiss cuisine is far more sophisticated.


If we compare it to Italy, France, Spain also,


then probably not.
You clearly know nothing whatsoever about the cuisines of England or the United States - especially the latter: a nation of 300 million people from all around the world with a wealth and depth of variety 7 million potato and cheese eating Swiss could only fantasise about.

Have you never wondered why even trashy American food is so popular here? Let alone all the good stuff that never makes it over the Atlantic.

You really do need to get out more.
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It depends, by what comparison.
If we are talking any English-speaking Country, England itself, Germany, Russia,


then for sure Swiss cuisine is far more sophisticated.


If we compare it to Italy, France, Spain also,


then probably not.
You obviously haven't been to the UK recently.
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You clearly know nothing whatsoever about the cuisines of England or the United States - especially the latter: a nation of 300 million people from all around the world with a wealth and depth of variety 7 million potato and cheese eating Swiss could only fantasise about.
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Not true as stated.
Try to get fresh bread in the sticks of the Midwest. Or grits and catfish in Ohio. Then tell me.

The US is a place with very poor integration of its immigrants' culture, indeed. Integration, as understood as a surplus in a kind of melting pot. Which the US is not, unlike e.g. Canada. There are, among others, also positive effects of a concept of an Immigration understood like this, but not with regards to food (and to the languages and newspapers, btw., neither).

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Have you never wondered why even trashy American food is so popular here? Let alone all the good stuff that never makes it over the Atlantic.
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You remember Marlene Dietrich's daughter, Maria Riva? In the book about her mother she gives very important reasons for preferring fast Food over a "restaurants' haute cuisine" and a ridiculous etiquette in European style restaurants, indeed. And she's not wrong.
However, this is not all what makes a local culinary tradition from a place.
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