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Yep from Montreal! I do the same so make it creamy!!! Hum.... Homemade ketchup! I never try to make it. My husband would love that I'm sure. He does like it when I do recipes from back home.

I made a pudding chomeur with maple sirup the other day for a group of friends who came for dinner, you should have seen their face!!!!
I'am also from Montreal.

My grandmother's ketchup recipe is more like an elaborate chutney than Heinz' red stuff. She made it with peaches together with tomatoes and a load of spices, but I've found that mangoes work just as well (never found ripe peaches in Norway anyway).

Pudding chômeur is always a good way to impress guests. I've also found a recipe for a pear clafoutis with maple syrup, it's less heavy and makes a good summer/early fall dessert.

Anyone coming to visit us from Canada has to bring a can of maple syrup as "lodging tax".
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Old 24.11.2015, 12:36
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Onions, tomato, vinegar, sugar & salt (plus chilli and possibly basil or coriander) == ketchup. We make this as a medium-thickness sauce quite often and just store leftovers in a tupper in the fridge, where it keeps for up to a few weeks if the vinegar content is high enough.
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You really should try visiting these countries you're so quick to disparage, and try "going native". Don't stick to McDonalds or the big-chain take-aways -- find local restaurants and give the local cuisine a try. Naive, outdated statements about the quality of food abroad just show you up as parochial and ignorant.
My daughter lives in LA and greatly misses Swiss food, as well as great Mexican food (she prefers mine to the stuff she can get there).

And I am always happy to return to CH where I can get great Swiss cheeses at affordable prices.

And, in general, I prefer Swiss wines to anything from the New World (though I also prefer Aussie wines to Californian, so perhaps that's not saying much).

Lastly, I send you a virtual GROAN!

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Old 24.11.2015, 12:53
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Onions, tomato, vinegar, sugar & salt (plus chilli and possibly basil or coriander) == ketchup. We make this as a medium-thickness sauce quite often and just store leftovers in a tupper in the fridge, where it keeps for up to a few weeks if the vinegar content is high enough.
There was quite a cool article in the Guardian about making Bacon in a roll, from scratch, to teach your kids a bit more about food.

Steps include the obvious and churning the butter and curing the bacon, and of course making the ketchup.

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Old 24.11.2015, 12:56
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But your comment about wine is downright wrong. Have you tried a good aged Completer? Humagne rouge? Petite Arvine? Really good Pinot Noir from Graunbünden?
Yes, I've had all those. Also, recently, a very fine, literally world-beating pinot noir from Muttenz, very close to where I live in Baselland. There are some fine Swiss wines, but I used hyperbole in my post to get a point across. By the way, English sparkling wines won 14 gold medals in the International Wine Challenge in 2014. That doesn't make all English wine fantastic, just as not all Swiss wine is fantastic.

The point of my post was, different strokes for different folks.
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Carrefour was here, but they didn't work out.

As for foreign supermarkets, other than Aldi and Lidl, there is also Crai.

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I hadn't heard of Crai before -- I see it's mainly Ticino-based but also in Graubünden, with one store in Fleurier.

As far as foreign supermarket chains go, there's also Spar -- been here since 1989, with nearly 200 supermarkets now in Switzerland.
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Carrefour was here, but they didn't work out.

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Same thing with Super/Hyper Casino in Romandie.
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Old 24.11.2015, 13:21
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Same thing with Super/Hyper Casino in Romandie.
Yep, they replaced the casino near here with a Migros. I used to quite like shopping in the Casino but it was a bit tatty and could have done with a makeover. Migros renovated t when casino closed so now it's just the same as all the others.


Carrefour were having a lot of problems in Belgium too as I think they had the same sort of issues trying to break into the local market there but they seem to have overcome them now.
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Carrefour were having a lot of problems in Belgium too as I think they had the same sort of issues trying to break into the local market there
Not enough dioxins in their food?
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As far as foreign supermarket chains go, there's also Spar -- been here since 1989, with nearly 200 supermarkets now in Switzerland.
AFAIK SPAR is only operating in German Switzerland.
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Re: Swiss Supermarkets

I understand that Swiss groceries, despite their reasonable selection of foreign products are not always stocked with a plethora of foods and goods that can meet every people's needs. While I am fine with criticism of Swiss retailers, I'm so sorry to say this: in a world with over 800 million chronically malnourished people (one in every nine people go to bed hungry each night), one has to be such an ungrateful, snotty and inhuman wretch for defining the thread with the following tags: "crap, swiss supermarkets"
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Yes, I've had all those. Also, recently, a very fine, literally world-beating pinot noir from Muttenz, very close to where I live in Baselland. There are some fine Swiss wines, but I used hyperbole in my post to get a point across. By the way, English sparkling wines won 14 gold medals in the International Wine Challenge in 2014. That doesn't make all English wine fantastic, just as not all Swiss wine is fantastic.

The point of my post was, different strokes for different folks.
Never had the chance to taste English wine, good or otherwise, will definitely do when I get the occasion. I'm not the one to discriminate against countries without a so-called wine tradition! You can find good food everywhere, just have to know where to look and keep an open mind. Norway isn't know for its gastronomy, but I've had some of my best meals there, but so have I in Yemen (best fish meal in my life. Ever).

I think the whole debate is actually about 2 things. Quality of fruit and vegetables which appears to vary from places to places in Switzerland (no problem where I live probably because there are enough customers for stocks never to last long, but apparently a problem in other areas) and variety of products on offer.

Expectations with regards to variety are likely to be cultural and as well as depend on what kind of approach one has to food. If you make all your food from scratch, you won't mind not having lots of canned soups to choose from. And if you like to vary you fruits, you won't like having to stick to what's available in a given season. There will also be cultural factors concerning what's on offer; obviously, Swiss people aren't fond of turnips outside of räbelichtli season and rutabagas aren't a staple (we've been know to take ours from Norway for Christmas). That said, try to find salsifis or quince in Québec...

My biggest hang-up here is that the oranges are actually lemons in disguise. The rest, I can adapt to provided there is cheese and wine in the picture.
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one has to be such an ungrateful, snotty and inhuman wretch for defining the thread with the following tags: "crap, swiss supermarkets"
That's a bit over the top, don't you think?
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For me: lack of choice makes the supermarket smaller, resulting in them being located more frequently and also making decision-making quicker - this means I spend less time doing the weekly shop. Which I equate to being a good thing.
....a model to which the UK market now seems to be returning. The Tesco turnround plan is based on stopping further development of megastores and increasing local footprints
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Ah Lidl and Aldi .

I have a theory on this - What is it 10 years now. I think maybe feeling a bit of pressure they would allow them in. The thinking being that Swiss people would not be seen dead in either of those shops. And to a certain extent its true.
Not sure what Switzerland you are living in but in Zurich are LIDL and Aldi in the more expensive suburbs... and highly successful. Lidl seems to be better at adapting and the parking lot in Waedenswil is full every day...


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Carrefour were having a lot of problems in Belgium too as I think they had the same sort of issues trying to break into the local market there but they seem to have overcome them now.
Carrefour was successful in Switzerland. However, while profitable were they not as profitable as Carrefours in China. So the management sold the markets for good money and used it for an even better investment.

In the end do I shop where the price is right, so: How much is the fish? (I don't know what drugs the Edeka marketing department is taking, but after their success with Supergeil do they apparently enjoy a lot of freedom...)

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Sometime, not the selection is the problem, but what you made out of it.... ;-)
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That's a bit over the top, don't you think?

It definitely is.

Just as it is slightly OTT to talk about crap Swiss supermarkets...

Frankly, I can't think of any country where I've lived long enough to prepare food (7 so far) where I haven't at some point in time struggled to find an ingredient I wanted/needed.

On the other hand, I can't think of one single country I've been to where I've never had a good meal at least once (well, I can but it was my fault for choosing a crappy hotel).
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It definitely is.

Just as it is slightly OTT to talk about crap Swiss supermarkets...

Frankly, I can't think of any country where I've lived long enough to prepare food (7 so far) where I haven't at some point in time struggled to find an ingredient I wanted/needed.

On the other hand, I can't think of one single country I've been to where I've never had a good meal at least once (well, I can but it was my fault for choosing a crappy hotel).
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Sometime, not the selection is the problem, but what you made out of it.... ;-)
Rosti
Fondue
Raclette with steamed potatoes
Pommes

It's still cheese and potatoes in the end, whatever you do with it.
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Anybody ever find Kirsche to make fondues on a regular basis in UK supermarkets ?
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