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Old 14.12.2015, 10:58
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In Italy, a group of 'beggars' surrounded us and I had to kick one of them because they grabbed my niece and I feared for her safety. I suspect they expected me to shift my attention from my handbag to my niece, so that they could snatch it but I wasnt going to let that happen. Then they tried the same trick with an elderly couple so we warned them and called police. The police usually sends them back to their home countries, which clearly is not working to address the issue.
Which leads me to what was in the back of my mind and sometimes a reality when I have to drive outside of Switzerland.

And another answer to a question. Would I risk carrying & possibly using a weapon these days? The answer (after the Paris incident last year) was undoubtedly YES.

It is a seriously dangerous world out there these days and now with the Paris bombings (I have to travel to CDG Airport 5-6 times a month and stay overnight), I wish I had the guts to carry a Taser, my big stick will have to do for now and I will consider now stowing it on the company V-klass.

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Old 14.12.2015, 10:59
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Number 12 tram around Rive is the guy with half an arm missing, he comes on, rolls up the sleeve to show off the stump and goes person to person with the little cup.
He also does the 14/18 trams to Blandonnet in the evening. I've never seen anyone give him anything so I'm not sure how lucrative it is.
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Re: So, this guy comes up to me in Bern asking for money...

Begging isn't forbiden in Switzerland, but the individual Kanton or Gemeinde can do so (including a ban for begging on private ground) or impose any kind of restrictions. Additionally you most probably can claim to have been harrassed (öffentliches Ärgernis) where begging hasn't been outlawed; in these cases the police usually act once they get more a couple complaints.

Lausanne for instance outlawed organised begging in 2013 (no idea if this still applies) though individual ("independent") begging seems to still be allowed.

In Zürich city begging has been outlawed for ages (and still is) on public and private ground, which of course includes public transport. However, street musicians and artists are allowed in the designated areas (essentially along the full city lake coastline on a strip of perhaps 20-50 yards width) if they don't use any kind of tools, boosters, amplifier, etc. and if they move to a different place after no more than 20 minutes.
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Old 14.12.2015, 11:06
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I thought this was going to be a joke
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It is a seriously dangerous world out there these days...
Actually it isn't. You're still more likely to choke on your food than die in a terrorist attack.
Of course you can believe the world has become a dangerous place, and the politicians would like you to believe so, so they can take away more of our freedoms.
But this means letting the terrorists win, and I will no have part of that.
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Old 14.12.2015, 11:40
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In the back of my own car under the floor of the boot I carry a hammer handle... I would have no hesitation in wrapping it around the head of anyone who tried to steal, attack anyone else or abduct any of my kids in a group.
Seriously?

To plagiarise Jim Jefferies:

"Oho, so you think you can just attack me in my car, hmmm? Well, you picked the WRONG target, buddy!"

(Scrabbles around, unbuckling seatbelt. Opens car door. Checks mirrors for any approaching traffic.)

"Ooohhh, just you wait, you've really got it coming!"

(Gets out of car, hurries round to boot/trunk. Optionally, unlocks boot/trunk. Opens boot/trunk.)

"It's right here, I've got something here for you, oh yes..."

(Starts tossing suitcases, shopping bags, kids' toys and the emergency petrol/gas can out of the boot/trunk. When floor exposed, lifts floor panel, leans forward and rests panel on head while searching for hammer handle among octopus straps, tow rope and wheel-changing tools.)

(Muffled) "Aha, yes, here it is, now you're in trouble!"

(Emerges from boot/trunk, wielding hammer handle triumphantly.)

"Hey! Where'd you go? Hey!! Bring my briefcase back! And that other stuff I had on the passenger seat!"


Nah. You'd be better off with concealed carry of a fully automatic assault weapon. Or maybe you could consider installing integrated machine guns into your vehicle.
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Old 14.12.2015, 11:51
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Seriously?

To plagiarise Jim Jefferies:

"Oho, so you think you can just attack me in my car, hmmm? Well, you picked the WRONG target, buddy!"

(Scrabbles around, unbuckling seatbelt. Opens car door. Checks mirrors for any approaching traffic.)

"Ooohhh, just you wait, you've really got it coming!"

(Gets out of car, hurries round to boot/trunk. Optionally, unlocks boot/trunk. Opens boot/trunk.)

"It's right here, I've got something here for you, oh yes..."

(Starts tossing suitcases, shopping bags, kids' toys and the emergency petrol/gas can out of the boot/trunk. When floor exposed, lifts floor panel, leans forward and rests panel on head while searching for hammer handle among octopus straps, tow rope and wheel-changing tools.)

(Muffled) "Aha, yes, here it is, now you're in trouble!"

(Emerges from boot/trunk, wielding hammer handle triumphantly.)

"Hey! Where'd you go? Hey!! Bring my briefcase back! And that other stuff I had on the passenger seat!"


Nah. You'd be better off with concealed carry of a fully automatic assault weapon. Or maybe you could consider installing integrated machine guns into your vehicle.
Very sorry, had to delete that section in my post as I realised I'm incriminating myself!
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Old 14.12.2015, 11:56
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Very sorry, had to delete that section in my post as I realised I'm incriminating myself!
I don't think it's illegal to carry an inaccessible stick around in your car.
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Old 14.12.2015, 13:58
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Re: So, this guy comes up to me in Bern asking for money...

I would never consider attacking anyone who's intimidating me in my car .....

...... that's why I never travel without 'trunk monkey'.


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Old 14.12.2015, 14:28
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I don't think it's illegal to carry an inaccessible stick around in your car.
....but I think it is if you say its intended use is to wrap it around someones head should you be in trouble?
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Old 14.12.2015, 14:34
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Seriously?

To plagiarise Jim Jefferies:

"Oho, so you think you can just attack me in my car, hmmm? Well, you picked the WRONG target, buddy!"

(Scrabbles around, unbuckling seatbelt. Opens car door. Checks mirrors for any approaching traffic.)

"Ooohhh, just you wait, you've really got it coming!"

(Gets out of car, hurries round to boot/trunk. Optionally, unlocks boot/trunk. Opens boot/trunk.)

"It's right here, I've got something here for you, oh yes..."

(Starts tossing suitcases, shopping bags, kids' toys and the emergency petrol/gas can out of the boot/trunk. When floor exposed, lifts floor panel, leans forward and rests panel on head while searching for hammer handle among octopus straps, tow rope and wheel-changing tools.)

(Muffled) "Aha, yes, here it is, now you're in trouble!"

(Emerges from boot/trunk, wielding hammer handle triumphantly.)

"Hey! Where'd you go? Hey!! Bring my briefcase back! And that other stuff I had on the passenger seat!"


Nah. You'd be better off with concealed carry of a fully automatic assault weapon. Or maybe you could consider installing integrated machine guns into your vehicle.
Funny but...procedure would be 1) lock all doors and close window 2) climb into back seat reaching over rear seats 3) open hatch (never put anything in back) 4) hold stick 5) open door & get out 6) beat attacker(s) / defend oneself with stick!
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Old 14.12.2015, 14:51
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....but I think it is if you say its intended use is to wrap it around someones head should you be in trouble?
That was just random musing, wasn't it? By some guy called Herr Hausamsee -- whom I can't find listed in local.ch.

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Funny but...procedure would be 1) lock all doors and close window 2) climb into back seat reaching over rear seats 3) open hatch (never put anything in back) 4) hold stick 5) open door & get out 6) beat attacker(s) / defend oneself with stick!
Two problems:

1. You're limited to buying only hatchback cars (or vehicles with open access to the boot/trunk) -- no Jaguar XJ Supersports for you;
2. Even if you subject yourself to the hatchback limitation, you still can't carry anything in the hatch area.

Why not carry your stick in the front of the car? It's not an illegal weapon. Even better, carry a full hammer with a pound of steel on the end of the stick!

And muse more quietly, in future.
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Old 14.12.2015, 15:19
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...The guy said something about a lunch menu for 5 CHF for lunch ....
Obviously he was a foreigner! A local would know 5CHF would not buy one an appetizer, let alone a whole lunch menu.

If there were such a thing as a Swiss beggar, they would have asked for 29.95.
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Around the train station and on the trams in Geneva are like a third world country sometimes. The beggars seem to have a "patch" that they work. Number 12 tram around Rive is the guy with half an arm missing, he comes on, rolls up the sleeve to show off the stump and goes person to person with the little cup. His mate is an older guy with his feet on back to front. Morning shift is usually the girl with the baby -- The baby has been the same age for two years so I assume the gang "rotates the baby".

I'm sure the gang leaders choose the most 'unfortunate beggars' to attract the sympathy vote. Sure I wouldn't like to be these people but i think it's a total scam, it's like a side job for them when probably their basic living expenses are paid by the state.

I wonder what they make each day and what they get to keep.
why don't they do something? I see the same faces in the same spots every time and they are forceful, I just keep wondering why the police don't stop them?
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Re: So, this guy comes up to me in Bern asking for money...

"to beg in the street in Switzerland isn't necessary if you live here as the social system is good "


I would say this is only true if you have worked here or you are a citizen here, as I have been living here for almost 3 years, I currently dont work, and I know for fact i can not recieve social help ( money wise ) unless I have worked ( not sure how long you have to work before you are acceptable to get some sorta of social help )


Also I was on long term disability in my home country, and after moving here there wasn't anyway for me to still be able to be on long term disability considering I am not from this country which makes sense.
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When I lived in Brazil they did this on street lights or when you got out of your car, in fact, they sometimes aggressively ran towards you yelling around that for instance their father is dying and they had to take a taxi, but the taxi driver is an ex-police officer and will kill him if he doesn't pay the fare, blablaba, and people give them money just to get rid of him. The problem is that many of these carry knives.
It is also known that gangs in Europe operate in similar manners. In my travels to Portugal, a lot of Romanians are in the streets as well, and reports there go towards people being cut and stabbed with rusty blades, etc. Maybe I am overreacting, but calling the police would help. Whether they show up or not is another question as in Switzerland the police is very understaffed (from what co-workers tell me). They say the salaries are too high and most the cantons are bankrupt, especially Bern.
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why don't they do something? I see the same faces in the same spots every time and they are forceful, I just keep wondering why the police don't stop them?
Because they are harmless and only really a general nuisance
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Re: So, this guy comes up to me in Bern asking for money...

If he is hungry and looks like a 'genuine' beggar, I try to get them a sandwhich or a beer. He will appreciate. Never give money.
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