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Old 27.12.2015, 23:34
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Western culture
What's that, then?
Drinking whiskey, gunfights at high noon and wearing odd onesies with flappy bottoms.
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Old 27.12.2015, 23:37
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flappy bottoms.
Aren't there any special exercises to prevent this?
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Old 27.12.2015, 23:46
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What did Mohammad said about eating Pizza ?
Hold the tomatoes?

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Old 27.12.2015, 23:47
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Re: Racism in "Al Fiume" restaurant in Basel

Where's the racism part? At worst, it was discriminatory, but racism and discrimination are not fully interchangeable terms. At best - and that is what I'm assuming - it was bad customer service, though I cannot for the life of me imagine that any restaurant would care whether you ordered alcohol or not and the guy probably just meant any type of drink (other than tap water), but not necessarily alcohol. I've lived in Switzerland pretty much all my life and have yet to find one single place where someone forces me to order alcohol. Next time, order a coke. For now, no one's been hurt, move past it and just don't eat there again if it bothers you that much. Problem solved.
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Re: Racism in "Al Fiume" restaurant in Basel

Stay at home, eat at home. Nobody shall impose the rules in one's own kitchen and the world will be a better place without restaurant rules triggered incidents ...
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Re: Racism in "Al Fiume" restaurant in Basel

here's a tip for the OP: not everybody everywhere in the world likes Muslim people. it's as simple as that. not everybody everywhere like Americans, either, which I deal with at least once a day pretty much anywhere I might be that is not inside US borders.

it's a big blue marble, your best bet is to simply move on.
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Hello all,

Today I took my visiting mom and sister (both veiled) for pizza to Al Fiume opposite the University Hospital. After being seated and calling someone to take the order, we ordered a pizza and lasagne - the person taking the order (the only other person there besides the cook, I assume the owner), asked if we would like drinks with our food. We said no thanks. He then repeated to insist over and over that we HAVE to order drinks, saying "restaurant drink" "no drink no food" and "no wine no food". It then became quite clear to me that he had no intention of serving us. I've never faced a situation like this in Basel and it took me quite a while to realize what was happening. Naturally I took my mom and sister and left immediately after calling him racist, etc, which he found quite amusing and took with a big grin.

I am determined nobody else have to go through this experience. I'm not too sure what course of action (legal of course) I can take. Anybody with advice?

thanks in advance.
I don't know OP, after the Paris attacks thing he thought you guys might be up to something insane?
(of course it's stupid but it might just have crossed his mind...)
Btw, EF has a vast experience with racism and this seems like a sound advice which has been given to OPs like you in many other situations.

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here's a tip for the OP: not everybody everywhere in the world likes Muslim people. it's as simple as that. not everybody everywhere like Americans, either, which I deal with at least once a day pretty much anywhere I might be that is not inside US borders.

it's a big blue marble, your best bet is to simply move on.

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Old 28.12.2015, 02:32
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That's a very broad generalisation don't you think? There are plenty of western countries where none of that is true.
Really? I've gotten nothing but grief for not being my husband's property and promptly changing my last name and morphing into his play thing the second I got married. I've had people be personally offended about something I do with my own name of all things. I'm unsure how that concerns them... people that claim they're not sexist, telling me the middle east is sexist, and yet they're telling me I don't have a right to my own name due to "family unity." Are they telling my husband he should have changed his name due to family unity? Of course not. But I'm supposed to follow the sexist traditions of the west due just because?
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I do, but bring my roof straps back first, please!

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How many was that again? I have bought so many of those since...
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Really? I've gotten nothing but grief for not being my husband's property and promptly changing my last name and morphing into his play thing the second I got married. I've had people be personally offended about something I do with my own name of all things. I'm unsure how that concerns them... people that claim they're not sexist, telling me the middle east is sexist, and yet they're telling me I don't have a right to my own name due to "family unity." Are they telling my husband he should have changed his name due to family unity? Of course not. But I'm supposed to follow the sexist traditions of the west due just because?
What is this "The West" you keep talking about?
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Old 28.12.2015, 07:43
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This is where I don't get western culture. I don't believe in hijab, it's inherently sexist. But most people here aren't against hijab because of sexism, since they are FOR sexism. They believe in forced military service... blah... blah... drivel.... blah
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Nope.

I don't believe in forced military service for anyone, parental leave for anyone, having been a single parent, I've certainly done my part, and I have no problem with people using whatever last name they wish.

So what are you on about?

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Western culture is just as sexist as Islam.
Utter twaddle. Western culture is not without sexism, but many Muslim countries go way beyond sexism to outright oppression of women. If you cannot recognise the difference between:
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I just had a long discussion with a bunch of people about how the guilds in Basel are okay to only allow men.
(Which many people in Basel think is stupid and sexist and shouldn't be permitted), and forbidding women to drive, have money, be in public without a male family member, or to vote, then you are either
1) A troll
2) Deluded
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3) An idiot.

HTH, BIDI.
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Re: Racism in "Al Fiume" restaurant in Basel

Didn't take long for this thread to get offensive.
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Perhaps, because people in this part of the world share certain values like freedom of expression, beliefs, dress etc. What about nuns? Are nuns veils acceptable in public places for you?
I don't see nuns wear a veil.
And I am happy that there are less and less nuns visible in public.
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What is this "The West" you keep talking about?
this is where Donald Trump is living.
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This is where I don't get western culture. I don't believe in hijab, it's inherently sexist. But most people here aren't against hijab because of sexism, since they are FOR sexism. They believe in forced military service only for men, parental leave only for mothers, that women should bear the responsibility for children, that women should change their last names after marriage, etc...
I come from a European (hence Western) country where:
- Women aren't even allowed to change their name when they get married.
- Parents can choose to give children the last name of the mother, the father or both. In any order.
- Military service does not exist.
- Fathers get parental leave as well.

So what was your point again?
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Really? I've gotten nothing but grief for not being my husband's property and promptly changing my last name and morphing into his play thing the second I got married. I've had people be personally offended about something I do with my own name of all things. I'm unsure how that concerns them... people that claim they're not sexist, telling me the middle east is sexist, and yet they're telling me I don't have a right to my own name due to "family unity." Are they telling my husband he should have changed his name due to family unity? Of course not. But I'm supposed to follow the sexist traditions of the west due just because?
My wife did not change her name since it's not a thing in the culture she is from. We never had any issue with that let alone "grief"... and nobody was ever offended about it either. You must live in a very different Switzerland or in fact world.
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Really? I've gotten nothing but grief for not being my husband's property and promptly changing my last name and morphing into his play thing the second I got married. I've had people be personally offended about something I do with my own name of all things....
It sounds like your immediate circle still has very traditional, old fashioned and out-of-this-century values! I have only seen this type of nonsense you describe in super traditional families (and that includes Eastern and Western families). Most of my friends are married to men who actually see them as an equal partner, rather than chattel! I can understand why it drives you crazy!
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Really? I've gotten nothing but grief for not being my husband's property and promptly changing my last name and morphing into his play thing the second I got married. I've had people be personally offended about something I do with my own name of all things. I'm unsure how that concerns them... people that claim they're not sexist, telling me the middle east is sexist, and yet they're telling me I don't have a right to my own name due to "family unity." Are they telling my husband he should have changed his name due to family unity? Of course not. But I'm supposed to follow the sexist traditions of the west due just because?
You're doing it again. Making sweeping generalisations about half the world ( because wherever you live half is to the west and half to the east of you) based on your limited experience of it.

Where I come from you can change your name to any old weird and whacky concoction if you feel so inclined and married women don't have to take the husband's name.
In Belgium a woman keeps her name after marriage whether they want to or not, they don't even have the option of changing it to their husband'so name.

This is all totally irrelevant to the OP and his issue in the restaurant though.
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Old 28.12.2015, 10:20
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Re: Racism in "Al Fiume" restaurant in Basel

Some arrogant waiter following his Helvetic rules refused to sell food without buying a drink and the whole western and eastern world is being blamed for their values in the process? Either it must be Friday thread or even worst, the end of 2015 must be coming ...
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