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Old 19.01.2016, 13:28
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Love Swiss cheeses, but they really make you appreciate extra strong cheddar even more.


My OH comments regularly on missing Waitrose, and good English cheddar. So its become a "treat" item to get Cathedral City into my Co-op shopping trolley (sadly, one of the few things that is NEVER on sale there). I also make a point of bringing back slabs of cheddar from every trip I make back to London - who knew that such a simple foodstuff could keep my OH so happy........


Which reminds me. I really must check what the import limits are for cheese!
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I also make a point of bringing back slabs of cheddar from every trip I make back to London - who knew that such a simple foodstuff could keep my OH so happy........


Which reminds me. I really must check what the import limits are for cheese!
My OH was so happy too!

How do you bring cheddar back to CH? I'm wary of flying with cheddar in my luggage as it, and marzipan, has the same density as some explosives, so I'd be far more likely to have my bags checked.

So that's dettol anti-bacterial cleaner, menthol cigarette filters and cheddar so far in my suitcase
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Old 19.01.2016, 14:32
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...How do you bring cheddar back to CH? ...
In a cool bag for preference. But last summer we brought back a couple of kilos of various British cheeses just in our hand luggage, having bought them the evening before flying. No problems at security, and the cheese suffered no ill-effect from not being chilled for 24 hours.
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Old 19.01.2016, 14:59
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Re: How do I get used to this place?

I bring cheese back regularly. In this weather it's no issue at all; in the summer I wrap the packets in newspaper when I take them out of the fridge then just put them in my hold luggage. Never had a problem. Same with bacon.
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Old 19.01.2016, 15:12
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Re: How do I get used to this place?

Followed this through from the original post, and although a couple of people whispered it early on, I just wanted to say out loud: Switzerland isn't for everyone! It's got a lot going for it, but if you don't feel like you're getting what you need here, you owe it to yourself to find somewhere than makes you feel better.

I'd say that you probably ought to give it a year, but be honest with yourself - if you need to go sooner, then go. It's not necessarily just expat homesick blues, although they're real enough; plenty of Swiss people are desperately unhappy here as well.

OP, it does sound like you're overworked and a bit depressed, which is a fairly natural state for many here. Lots of lovely people on this website have suggested ways that you can overcome these problems, but if you try them all, and still don't like it here, that's okay too. It took me years to forgive myself for not liking living here, because it's oh-so-perfect in oh-so-many ways for so many people. But not me.

Give it 18 months max. If it turns out that it's not for you, just accept you're looking for something else, mark it down to experience and move on. You can still come back for holidays!
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Old 19.01.2016, 15:29
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Which reminds me. I really must check what the import limits are for cheese!
Good news: there's no tax- or duty-free limit for cheese! (Apart from the standard total CHF 300 per person per day, of course.)

Here's a handy chart (click to enlarge) showing the importation limits and the tax and duty payable on items imported over those limits. By the way, remember that if the total pre-tax value of all of your imported goods on any one day exceeds CHF 300, then you are liable for VAT on the entire amount and forfeit your personal duty-free allowance.
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Old 20.01.2016, 23:57
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Re: How do I get used to this place?

HHAHA! This reeks of my wisdom yes!

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OP, did you not post this about one week ago?



Maybe try taking your own advice?
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Old 21.01.2016, 01:57
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Believe me all ye of little faith! A good restaurant in Horgen quoted that figure for a 1 person Indian delivery
Oh, now I see. The high costs were probably, I guess, more for the delivery than for the take-away food itself. After all, that restaurant in Horgen, if it is good, will have been paying the delivery person an hourly wage, plus their social security contributions, and accident insurance. And if you placed the order after regular business hours, perhaps also a "night surcharge" on top of the hourly wage. You'd probably have been charged much less if you, yourself, had taken the food away, literally.


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Every complaint is reasonable, and the only way to be satisfied is to either leave or adjust. Some adjust quickly, some over years.
But, I think much depends on what you were coming from.
Yes, definitely what you were coming from, what you left behind, and also what your hopes were. It seems to me the most miserable newbies (from any country to any country) seem to be those who expect/hope/wish/assume that things Here ought to work just the way they used to back There. And they are bound to stub their toes painfully when things don't conform to such assumptions.


And the happiest immigrants (from any country to any country), and those who can cope best with making the necessary adjustments, and doing so as quickly as possible, seem to be those who arrive absolutely certain that many aspects of dailty life are going to be very different Here from how they were back There. If that is one's basic starting point, then every new hurdle, every new strangeness doesn't necessarily strike one down in shock, because it already has a mental address: it belongs in the box called "another one of those things that work differently Here, and which I'll have to learn about, and cope with".


Taxes on garbage bags? Huh? Never heard of that before... oh, yes, it must be one of those "Different Here from There" things.
Quiet hours over lunchtime? What?! Oh, I get it, that's another of the "D H f T" things.
They don't speak my mother tongue to me? Oh, yes, that's right, the language Here is different from back There.


I agree that some of the particular differences can be confusing or annoying in very specific ways, yet it seems to be that a basic expectation that many things will, necessarily, work differently in this country/canton/new building, etc., can be a big help in coping.
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Old 21.01.2016, 09:16
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Good news: there's no tax- or duty-free limit for cheese! (Apart from the standard total CHF 300 per person per day, of course.)

Here's a handy chart .
Huge thanks! Now I can openly confess that right before Christmas I bought in 23 kg of Cathedral City in one suitcase. I did go to the declare section at customs, but they didn't want to know me (too busy pulling apart the suitcase of a non Anglo Saxon - Zurich racial profiling at work once again) It was on special at Waitrose so I was WAY under the 300CHF limit. My OH was SOOOOOOO happy.

Cheese, english bacon, english sausages - all of these things have happily flown back with me in the last 3 years. I either buy the meat the same day as flying, or I have friends freeze it for me in advance. Remember that checked luggage holds in the plane are very cold pretty well all year 'round so you shouldn't have issues.
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Old 21.01.2016, 09:35
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Huge thanks! Now I can openly confess that right before Christmas I bought in 23 kg of Cathedral City in one suitcase. I did go to the declare section at customs, but they didn't want to know me (too busy pulling apart the suitcase of a non Anglo Saxon - Zurich racial profiling at work once again) It was on special at Waitrose so I was WAY under the 300CHF limit. My OH was SOOOOOOO happy.

Cheese, english bacon, english sausages - all of these things have happily flown back with me in the last 3 years. I either buy the meat the same day as flying, or I have friends freeze it for me in advance. Remember that checked luggage holds in the plane are very cold pretty well all year 'round so you shouldn't have issues.
I tried to declare around 15kg of assorted meat ( beef joints, gammon joints, bacon, sausages etc) at Geneva airport just before Christmas and they didn't want yo know me either. It wasn't as if they were busy ( unless you call chatting and laughing with each other busy) but the one guy just winked at me and said 'have a nice Christmas' without even looking at what I had or how much. I guess they couldn't be bothered with the paperwork or something.
I also had Stilton and cheddar but wasn't going to declare that as there are no restrictions on cheese.

I was under the 300chf but well over the 1 kg meat. I figured I was going to be over I might as well be well over. I'd bought it the day before, kept it in my brother's fridge overnight and wrapped it in newspaper before lacking in my suitcase. We often bring cold stuff back ( even frozen stuff) and we've never had a problem with anything, as you say the hold is pretty cold.
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I tried to declare around 15kg of assorted meat ( beef joints, gammon joints, bacon, sausages etc) at Geneva airport just before Christmas and they didn't want to know me either.
Pretty crazy eh? When we had our UK wedding bash we were given a load of gifts with instructions not to open 'till we got home to Swissy.

We put them all in a suitcase in the hold, but made a beeline for customs on arrival in Zurich. They asked ask what we had to declare, we told them we didn't know and explained the context, and they waved us through. Opening the presents later, we were WAY over the limit for booze, and jewellery and other bits.

Two years ago we were hosting Christmas for some Aussie, Swiss & US mates. OH decided to do a full English spread. Cue a trip to the UK to stock up on unique Brit foods and ingredients. 48kg worth of groceries!!!! Again, a bee line to customs on arrival, who also tipped a wink, and then got busy on grilling the poor Indian lady in the queue behind us.
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Last time my mother visited, we went to Zurich airport to pick her up. We waited and waited until, finally, she arrived all flustered and embarrassed. She had to open her bag and was caught redhanded with way too many chorizos and ham (although we did warn her about the limits).

She was a white woman in her 70's.

She always looked suspicious, though.
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.....was caught redhanded with way too many chorizos and ham....
She was a white woman in her 70's.
So the trick is - voluntarily declare and get let off, attempt to sneak and get fined?
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So the trick is - voluntarily declare and get let off, attempt to sneak and get fined?
My Mum's career as a smuggler was never very successful.
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You know thats the same question i KEEP ASKING MYSELF EVERYDAY - Im English who has been living here for three and a half years ( a very long time I can assure you) but before was living in Spain Valencia for five years before I came to Zurich - I had a friend who is half Swiss and Spanish who grew up in Switzerland but now lives in Spain as it has life, energy, people who smile and say hello, don't attack you in the street and open there door to strangers.....
Can you imagine i have been attacked here an old man tried to push me off my bike into the tram line and my wife who is a small oriental person was kicked with full force in her leg by a man when she was getting on a tram in the middle of the city in the afternoon .......I could give you many more stories.
My philosophy is the key word is tolerance - this is the country of box people - they live in there own World and that fine for them....good luck....
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Can you imagine i have been attacked here an old man tried to push me off my bike into the tram
How does an old man get close to you riding your bicycle? You weren't perchance using the sidewalk, or were you?

If so just a small reminder:
A bicycle is to use the street. Should you use the sidewalk instead at least have the courtesy to give pedestrians right of way and go slow.
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Thank you for your reply.
But this was an area where both can use the area.
In addition for me I think its not quite exceptable to try to push somebody off their bike into a tram lane which would be a problem if a tram was coming. (luckily for me at that time there wasnt)

But maybe this is fine for you - I think you a not such a cyclist enthusiast.
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I am sorry to hear that. Pushing anyone anywhere is not ok.
I haven't come across such aggression yet but do regularly endure randomly closing tram doors when the driver can clearly see I am halfway stuck on the steps. Also, what's with all these lying, deceiving tradesmen here? Sure they must be everywhere but I keep coming across them here. e.g. Bill= 65CHF. I hand over a 100. Guy goes "Sorry don't have change" and takes off. I hate being bullied into "tipping" though pretty sure this doesn't qualify as tipping. More like theft.


Sick of this place but you're right. Key is some supermannish levels of tolerance and understanding that the attitude here is "if you don't like it, p1ss off". Tragic.


Waiting for the day when the mountains and the good weather will outweigh the daily meltdowns.


Hope you were ok and didn't get hurt. xx


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You know thats the same question i KEEP ASKING MYSELF EVERYDAY - Im English who has been living here for three and a half years ( a very long time I can assure you) but before was living in Spain Valencia for five years before I came to Zurich - I had a friend who is half Swiss and Spanish who grew up in Switzerland but now lives in Spain as it has life, energy, people who smile and say hello, don't attack you in the street and open there door to strangers.....
Can you imagine i have been attacked here an old man tried to push me off my bike into the tram line and my wife who is a small oriental person was kicked with full force in her leg by a man when she was getting on a tram in the middle of the city in the afternoon .......I could give you many more stories.
My philosophy is the key word is tolerance - this is the country of box people - they live in there own World and that fine for them....good luck....
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My philosophy is the key word is tolerance - this is the country of box people - they live in there own World and that fine for them....good luck....
Not wishing to add fuel, but I've made my OH promise we can retire to Greece, but I made him promise that in the UK because I hated living down south. I find Zurich a far easier place to live that Surrey or Berkshire.
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