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Re: Why cant you read a magazine in the sauna

ok so maybe not everybody has this looping through their heads when they go to a life class or mixed naked sauna,



but I think its also not entirely as innocent as people make out.
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Old 12.01.2016, 20:46
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Re: Why cant you read a magazine in the sauna

CathyHarmony, you are a riot! What are you like after a couple of vinos, or is this funniness all part of some chocolate head-rush???? Too funny!
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Re: Why cant you read a magazine in the sauna

I need subtitles.
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Re: Why cant you read a magazine in the sauna

I think i'm far too busy thinking of myself too to look at anybody else.. Just worried that I get a stauner (as we say in scotlandshire).
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Because many people would like to enjoy the warmth and benefits of a good sauna without having to be seen naked. Unfortunately, in most places one is required to take off the swimming suit.


There's a good reason for taking the swimwear off. If you've just been in pool your swimwear will bring some of the chlorine in the sauna. Once that stuff evaporates it's not exactly the healthiest stuff to breathe. I experienced this in a surprising way once in Barcelona. There was a terrible chlorine smell in the sauna and then I realised it's the tap water that's causing it. Anyone who has ever tasted Barcelona water knows what I'm talking about.


Another reason for removing the clothing is hygiene - people's swimwear may not always be clean. There will be residues of sweat, sun cream and who knows what. Therefore naked with something to protect the seats or with a clean towel is preferred.
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Actually saunas are extremely dry (10%-20% humidity. But at 90C you get pretty moist.
If that's the case then something is wrong. A pleasant sauna will have around 40-60% humidity. Maybe even more if it is particularly hot. I've heard of Swiss saunas where the 'stove' (that hot thing with the stones) is nowhere to be seen hence you can't throw water on it. Maybe in such an environment it can get dry but then it's just a hot room and not a sauna.
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Old 13.01.2016, 08:10
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Another reason for removing the clothing is hygiene - people's swimwear may not always be clean. There will be residues of sweat, sun cream and who knows what. Therefore naked with something to protect the seats or with a clean towel is preferred.
This argument I don't get. On your skin there will be residues of sweat, sun-cream, faeces, with all that sweat running off you, evaporating into the air. How does swimwear make that worse?
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Re: Why cant you read a magazine in the sauna

Im with you on that one, i think bare gentitals are worse than swim wear and pubic hair ect
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This argument I don't get. On your skin there will be residues of sweat, sun-cream, faeces, with all that sweat running off you, evaporating into the air. How does swimwear make that worse?
Well, you're supposed to shower before going in. That helps with rinsing any chlorine off your skin but doesn't do great job of cleaning the swimwear. I don't believe sweat and especially sun cream will evaporate that much. Also,if you are sweating but just showered that sweat (evaporating or not) won't have all the bacteria that has gotten a C permit in your swimwear.

If you are worried about sweaty butts and pubes, well that's what the towel/seat protector is for.
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Old 13.01.2016, 09:08
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If that's the case then something is wrong. A pleasant sauna will have around 40-60% humidity. Maybe even more if it is particularly hot. I've heard of Swiss saunas where the 'stove' (that hot thing with the stones) is nowhere to be seen hence you can't throw water on it. Maybe in such an environment it can get dry but then it's just a hot room and not a sauna.
IMO absolutely no chance of that in a Sauna. All your blood is fully occupied trying to stop you overheating


Sorry you're wrong. A normal Scandinavian sauna is around 80 - 90 and low (max 20%) humidity. Your body could not take 40% humidity at that temperature. From Wikipedia...:


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Under many circumstances, temperatures approaching and exceeding 100 C (212 F) would be completely intolerable. Saunas overcome this problem by controlling the humidity. The hottest Finnish saunas have relatively low humidity levels in which steam is generated by pouring water on the hot stones. This allows air temperatures that could boil water to be tolerated and even enjoyed for longer periods of time. Steam baths, such as the Turkish bath, where the humidity approaches 100%, will be set to a much lower temperature of around 40 C (104 F) to compensate. The "wet heat" would cause scalding if the temperature were set much higher.

You will often find lower temperature (around 50) "Bio" saunas that are at about 50% humidity and steam rooms/Turkish baths are at about 40 and near 100% humidity
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There's a good reason for taking the swimwear off. If you've just been in pool your swimwear will bring some of the chlorine in the sauna. Once that stuff evaporates it's not exactly the healthiest stuff to breathe. I experienced this in a surprising way once in Barcelona. There was a terrible chlorine smell in the sauna and then I realised it's the tap water that's causing it. Anyone who has ever tasted Barcelona water knows what I'm talking about.


Another reason for removing the clothing is hygiene - people's swimwear may not always be clean. There will be residues of sweat, sun cream and who knows what. Therefore naked with something to protect the seats or with a clean towel is preferred.
I knew it was about hygiene and not about embarrassing prudish people. Once I got that it was easier for me to get used with the idea, as I am NOT coming from a sauna culture, my mother for instance would be horrified to have to go naked in a sauna. I simply love sauna because of the health/beauty benefits, but it is an acquired taste so to speak, I admit.

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Sorry you're wrong. A normal Scandinavian sauna is around 80 - 90 and low (max 20%) humidity. Your body could not take 40% humidity at that temperature. From Wikipedia...:


You will often find lower temperature (around 50) "Bio" saunas that are at about 50% humidity and steam rooms/Turkish baths are at about 40 and near 100% humidity
You make an interesting point. I can definitely see how high RH would be an issue around 100 C. I don't find saunas 100 C or above that pleasant anyway. In lower temps, say between 70 and 80 C (75 C being my favourite) I find the RH to be significantly higher than, say a normal room. It's a shame that the Wikipedia article does not state what is consider a "relatively low humidity".

Because of your sound argument I checked my reference again and noticed that I misread it previously when using my phone. The Finnish Wikipedia page for sauna states that the ideal humidity in a sauna would be 40-60 grams of water per a kg of dry air. This is of course different than relative humidity. A further observation to support your point is that when you throw water on the stove the air temperature does not really rise (it may even be lowered locally) but the humidity peaks for a short time. This is often experienced as a perceived hotness.

In some Finnish saunas there is a hygrometer next to a thermometer and it's usually somewhere around 50%. However given the inherent inaccuracy of these simple devices I would not count on them too much. I will try to check how the grams of water per kg of air can be converted to relative humidity later, if someone else doesn't get to it first.

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I knew it was about hygiene and not about embarrassing prudish people. Once I got that it was easier for me to get used with the idea, as I am NOT coming from a sauna culture, my mother for instance would be horrified to have to get naked into a sauna. I simply love sauna because of the health/beauty benefits, but it is an acquired taste so to speak, I admit.
Same here, I definitely don't come from a culture where co-ed nudity is anywhere close to normal, however I've quite taken to the wellness areas in Swiss hotels (feels real good after skiing or hiking) so I've had to accept the rules that come with it. Was embarrased at first, now pretty comfortable. I haven't, however, yet been in a "naked zone" with someone of the opposite sex that I know apart from Trollefar; that would be a new boundary to push. And I still have a quiet giggle once in a while when I meet the same people that I've seen "as god made them" (as elegantly written at the door of a few hotel's wellness areas) fully clothed in the restaurant. I know, childish of me...

I know I don't look good naked but never mind, if anyone is offended they can look somewhere else. I there for my own good, not to be aesthetically pleasant.
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And how good would you say men are at stopping their 'imagination' fooling them as you say?
I think thats being kind, most men know exactly what they are doing when they go to a life drawing 'class' or a mixed naked 'sauna'
Perhaps they are, perhaps not. Obviously though the same reasons, whatever they may be, apply to the women in mixed saunas.

We tend to assume the way we think is the same for everybody else. Well, oftentimes that couldn't be more wrong.
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Because of your sound argument I checked my reference again and noticed that I misread it previously when using my phone. The Finnish Wikipedia page for sauna states that the ideal humidity in a sauna would be 40-60 grams of water per a kg of dry air. This is of course different than relative humidity. A further observation to support your point is that when you throw water on the stove the air temperature does not really rise (it may even be lowered locally) but the humidity peaks for a short time. This is often experienced as a perceived hotness.

In some Finnish saunas there is a hygrometer next to a thermometer and it's usually somewhere around 50%. However given the inherent inaccuracy of these simple devices I would not count on them too much. I will try to check how the grams of water per kg of air can be converted to relative humidity later, if someone else doesn't get to it first.
Honestly you need to look again. you will (or should) find that a Sauna at 80 - 90 is around 10% - 20% - as high as 20% only is there has been a recent aufguss.


Incidentally with an Aufguss it is not just the humidity. Throwing water on the stones causes more air circulation in the sauna, bringing the hottest air at the top of the Sauna down. Of course the "towelling" of the air at the same time massively increases this effect.
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Another scandal in contaminated VW sauna that didn't pass nakedness Abgass test
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I don't believe sweat .. will evaporate that much.
Erm. Sweat is supposed to evaporate. That's how sweating keeps you cool. If you want to be hotter in a sauna - brush the sweat away (onto a towel). Then see how dry the towel is after a few minutes. Oh no! Where did the sweat go? Yep - you're breathing it in, along with everyone else's.
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Erm. Sweat is supposed to evaporate. That's how sweating keeps you cool. If you want to be hotter in a sauna - brush the sweat away (onto a towel). Then see how dry the towel is after a few minutes. Oh no! Where did the sweat go? Yep - you're breathing it in, along with everyone else's.
You are of course correct in general about how sweating works. I should have been more specific in my meaning that the evaporating sweat will not be a hygienic problem. The culture in your swimwear on the other hand can be. Also, I shower before going to a sauna and it's mostly the water from the shower that's evaporating off my skin. Once it's gone, it's a good time to have a break anyway.
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You make an interesting point. I can definitely see how high RH would be an issue around 100 C. I don't find saunas 100 C or above that pleasant anyway. In lower temps, say between 70 and 80 C (75 C being my favourite) I find the RH to be significantly higher than, say a normal room. It's a shame that the Wikipedia article does not state what is consider a "relatively low humidity".

Because of your sound argument I checked my reference again and noticed that I misread it previously when using my phone. The Finnish Wikipedia page for sauna states that the ideal humidity in a sauna would be 40-60 grams of water per a kg of dry air. This is of course different than relative humidity. A further observation to support your point is that when you throw water on the stove the air temperature does not really rise (it may even be lowered locally) but the humidity peaks for a short time. This is often experienced as a perceived hotness.

In some Finnish saunas there is a hygrometer next to a thermometer and it's usually somewhere around 50%. However given the inherent inaccuracy of these simple devices I would not count on them too much. I will try to check how the grams of water per kg of air can be converted to relative humidity later, if someone else doesn't get to it first.
Hygrometeres usually are accurate around here. If it has a clock-like display tap it to help the digit make the last small move.

50g water per m3 air gives:
31% RH at 65%, 21% at 75C, 14% at 85C and 10% at 95C. Notice that the change isn't linear.

wetter.com for instance says monthly averages (select the "Relative Feuchte" tab) for RH in Zrich city range between 70-85%. Actual values will have a much wider range though, for instance during Fhn (a warm and dry wind from the Alps) I wouldn't be surprised to see less than 30% RH. Interestingly enough monthly averages stay in a fairly close range even during summer.

If RH in your rooms is significantly lower (occurs more often in winter because the outside air needs heating up) you want to consider a humidifier. Outside of heating season RH in rooms shouldn't differ much from outside RH.
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