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Old 15.03.2016, 11:22
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I don't know - i could tell you why I 'chose' it (took the photo to begin with), i guess, and what the symbolism means to me, and says about my own psychology - but since we all experience the world through an inherent egocentric bias, why don't you give me your interpretation?
Well, since your superficial interpretation of mine was that I have secret urges to chase butterflies and run naked through the streets so that men ogle my breasts, let me attempt an equally superficial analysis of yours:

- you're old, concerned with death, and like to spook people

But let's try something a little more profound:

- you're well-traveled, like photography, are attracted to unusual things of historical beauty

Now why you chose that particular image to represent yourself is for you to explain (or not ...).
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Old 15.03.2016, 11:29
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Well, since your superficial interpretation of mine was that I have secret urges to chase butterflies and run naked through the streets so that men ogle my breasts, let me attempt an equally superficial analysis of yours:

- you're old, concerned with death, and like to spook people

But let's try something a little more profound:

- you're well-traveled, like photography, are attracted to unusual things of historical beauty

Now why you chose that particular image to represent yourself is for you to explain (or not ...).

Made me chuckle.
By the way you can save any picture and make it as your avatar, need not be the limited ones available to you on the ''forum'' section.
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Old 15.03.2016, 11:47
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In fact, many log in on here just to find brown sugar
Aww, that's so old FR, kosher salt is the new brown sugar.
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You know - for those of us too dim (or just not wanting to post an actual photo of ourselves), you go and choose an avatar from a pre-recorded selection, and you scroll down, and all the animals are taken, except for the wolves (though maybe I should have chosen a howling one) and then you get to the Female section, and they're mostly all taken. No, not seen that yet?
I thought I was the one who was IT challenged on here ...
Most people just upload a photo ( doesn't have to be of you it can be any random photo or image that you like) to use as their avatar and don't bother with the 'forum' ones and have probably never bothere looking at the 'pre-recorded' ones.
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Old 15.03.2016, 12:44
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Aww, that's so old FR, kosher salt is the new brown sugar.
Brown sugar - is that a thing? Like you move in somewhere and you fancy the hunky guy next door so you invent a pretext to go knock on his door?
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Old 15.03.2016, 13:05
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Re: Do you feel unwelcome in Switzerland?

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- you're old, concerned with death, and like to spook people
-likely younger than most on here, but who knows]
- no more than anyone else is,
-no

But let's try something a little more profound:

- you're well-traveled, like photography, are attracted to unusual things of historical beauty
-i guess so,
-not so much,
-true

The skull symbolism can be understood just as much as a concern for life - a reminder of the mortal nature of us all, (we all die) and of the immortal nature( we all leave something behind).

Found in contemporary culture in things such as the Mexican 'Day of the Dead' - which celebrates the lives and memories of those who have died, not death itself. The photo is from Palenque in the Yucatan, but the idea is common in European cultures also and especially here in CH- The 'Totentanz' or 'Danse Macabre' in Basel (Friedhofsmauer)and Luzern(adorning the Spreuerbrücke and also in the Ritterscher Palast) - illustrating the fleeting nature of life and the vanity/futility of earthly desires.

The same idea behind the skull&crossbones, the grim reaper just waiting to tap us on the shoulder, skull images on old European tombstones, etc.

I really liked the image because of the contrast between our modern perceptions of sacred, 'cute' things (a bunny's face, heart shaped eyes, almost smiling), and the profane (skull, 'death' imagery)

As for an inner meaning into my psyche, by default a self-analysis is problematic and undoubtably egocentric.

I still think there's more to your avatar selection than hair color, but whatever.
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Old 15.03.2016, 13:10
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Brown sugar - is that a thing? Like you move in somewhere and you fancy the hunky guy next door so you invent a pretext to go knock on his door?
Naahh.... something with which the EF members are obsessed regardless they like baking or not.
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Old 15.03.2016, 13:16
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Brown sugar - is that a thing? Like you move in somewhere and you fancy the hunky guy next door so you invent a pretext to go knock on his door?
Just put brown sugar in the search box and all will be revealed.
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Old 15.03.2016, 13:24
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Re: Do you feel unwelcome in Switzerland?

Actually, when expat beta males come to Switzerland, and then realize how tough the dating scene is---they go to the local beta males and ask for advice. The answer is always the same: Find the Brown Sugar and you'll find your answer.
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Old 15.03.2016, 14:00
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Re: Do you feel unwelcome in Switzerland?

I think I would object to mentioned perceived male dominance here on this platform. Volume doesn't translate to dominance nor quality. Volume might actually dicredit any meaning it tries to carry.

That said, neither does abusive or aggressive language translate to gender equality or supporting chick's voice. It just translates to lack of finesse in comm skills.

When we are at the psy analysis - something obviously stang in the past. But not all Swiss represent the stereotypical templates that noobs sometimes notice or bring us when they try to imply all Swiss are like this or that.. I like that it is pretty hard to apply stereotypes, in general (cultures, cantons, languages). My local friends are unclassifiable. But that is the case probably anywhere, I don't waste time classifying or stereotyping. Observing is fun, soaking up.
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Old 15.03.2016, 14:03
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Actually, when expat beta males come to Switzerland, and then realize how tough the dating scene is---they go to the local beta males and ask for advice. The answer is always the same: Find the Brown Sugar and you'll find your answer.
Then all Omega males stand no chance at all and they must go to Bahnhofstrasse to spoil themselves by buying expensive watches in desperation.
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Re: Do you feel unwelcome in Switzerland?

The locals are great.

Talking to a few expats here, the only people who have made them feel really unwelcome are other expats.
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Then all Omega males stand no chance at all and they must go to Bahnhofstrasse to spoil themselves by buying expensive watches in desperation.
Omega male watches are great. And local. I think I would welcome one
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Made me chuckle.
By the way you can save any picture and make it as your avatar, need not be the limited ones available to you on the ''forum'' section.
Or you can be lazy and have no avatar at all.

I take brown sugar back with me when I go to Canada.
And I have no idea what Kosher salt is.

Switzerland is not the land of milk and honey, it's the land of cheese and rare wine grapes.
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Old 15.03.2016, 14:43
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Omega male watches are great. And local. I think I would welcome one
My SO is a staunch Omega person!

I'm more of a Patek male myself
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The Locals are great.

Talking to a few expats here, the only people who have made them feel really unwelcome are other expats.
They even have their own online-paper and very red-blobbed representative on the EF ...
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The locals are great.

Talking to a few expats here, the only people who have made them feel really unwelcome are other expats.
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The Swiss in general, personally do not make you unwelcome. They don't (unlike in many 'warm' culture) make any efforts for you to feel welcome either.
They respect & enjoy privacy.
Having said that,the 'gruezis' and the enguetes even for the strangers come only from the Swiss.


Throwing social parties at home, or making efforts for Abend Essen for you to feel welcome or discuss 'family' problems or 'feel at home' is not their cup of tea.
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The Swiss in general, personally do not make you unwelcome. They don't (unlike in many 'warm' culture) make any efforts for you to feel welcome either.
They respect & enjoy privacy.
Having said that,the 'gruezis' and the enguetes even for the strangers come only from the Swiss.

Throwing social parties at home, or making efforts for Abend Essen for you to feel welcome or discuss 'family' problems or 'feel at home' is not their cup of tea.

Funny you should say that. I was having a conversation with an American colleague recently as I complained about many Swiss' utter lack of spontaneity and incessant need to "schedule" every personal "appointment" weeks or months in advance (did I mention I was Swiss myself? Still annoys the hell out of me ). So my colleague says they live in a duplex, next to a Swiss family and opposite a Belgian couple. They didn't meet the Swiss family for ages, despite living wall-to-wall, and when they finally did, they had to arrange a "proper introduction dinner" - of course only four or five weeks later. The Belgians on the other hand had, at that point, already regularly called them to just come over, when they cooked to much food for example or for a quick coffee or for really no reason at all

It's just a little story, and of course not all Swiss, Belgians or Americans are that exact same way. People are different. As are cultures. Doesn't mean people are generally unwelcoming, let alone racist. Just different.
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Old 15.03.2016, 17:22
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Re: Do you feel unwelcome in Switzerland?

I understand the shyness with spontaneity..It seems to get pushed out of kids in schools, where anything that sticks out or the teacher considers non standard gets a point subtracted. Going over curriculum these days, the amout of merely reproductive work on account of a complete lack of production is shocking.

I think grown ups dislike suprises, they do not know how to evaluate genuinely creative work.

So they plan and then plan some more.
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Old 15.03.2016, 17:34
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I understand the shyness with spontaneity..It seems to get pushed out of kids in schools, where anything that sticks out or the teacher considers non standard gets a point subtracted. Going over curriculum these days, the amout of merely reproductive work on account of a complete lack of production is shocking.

I think grown ups dislike suprises, they do not know how to evaluate genuinely creative work.

So they plan and then plan some more.
OK this is getting OT. But: that school bit, is that just in CH or anywhere? I always thought it was about something else, i.e. the all-too-popular glorification of being busy these days, combined with the fear of - gasp - ending up alone one evening a week without anything to do But maybe I'm completely off on this...

If grown-ups dislike surprises, you would assume everyone plans and plans and plans, yet many do not. And I honestly have never encountered another culture in which it's considered perfectly normal to schedule a drink with ONE friend (not 20) 10 weeks in advance. I find it genuinely irritating. Maybe it's just the people I know though
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