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It's definitely the Indian gentleman!
I shall report your post for racism. Just because they struggle to swim doesn't mean they can't ski.
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practice consenting to mass opinions, as a survival technique for living here
Even if you do consent, the majority will have little or no interest in your opinion(s).

In exactly the same way recent illegal male immigrants pretending to be boys, have little to no interest in assimiliating the new and improved culture they find themselves in.

Nobody's survival is guaranteed.

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Nobody's survival is guaranteed.
PS: Do not forget, the scissors cuts both ways.
Is it a threat??

On EnglishForum.ch - basically a migrant community - when I see a show off of one's "assimilation" (with wrong spelling?), idolizing the host culture by calling it "new and improved", threatening someone with a diverse opinion, I see that many migrants are happy here.

And while I am happy for them, let's not digress - as it's very fashionable to do on online forum - from the main topic: an employer advertising that they don't (can't) outsource is being blatantly right-wing. To make it worse, it's all a lie anyway as the technology and vehicles are all imported. Large portion of staff is from neighboring EU countries. This is topped by placing a picture of Taj Mahal - just because general public (who don't care to study much anyway) believes that all jobs are going to India

The Air India AD was cute... the mustached guy (presumably Indian) is going uphill while the blonde takes the chairlift downhill. Very apt :P :P If one had to, one could argue that it depicts the perceived state of women rights situation in India as the guy is ogling her.
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Old 19.10.2016, 16:16
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Old 19.10.2016, 16:20
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Whoever has basic knowledge of immigration law, knows that the employer has fought tooth and nails to get a non-EU staff here, because he/she is super critical from business interests point of view.
No, it just means that they couldn't find anybody local willing to do the job for the salary offered.

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This is topped by placing a picture of Taj Mahal - just because general public (who don't care to study much anyway) believes that all jobs are going to India

Have all your fuses blown at once??

I now take offence of that saying of you (even if it is just for the sake of being offended)

I AM the general SWISS public as you put it and basically, coz I am blonde too, you incline that I am stupid.... and don't study much to boot.


Presumably you must have met me or know me from I don't know where, otherwise you couldn't make all these personal statements .........couldn't you??
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My limited skill-set only allows the following interpretations:
found the problem!
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The moment you speak of non-EU working in CH, the salary part is usually least of the concerns of the employer. Ch.Ch website clearly lays down the criteria as: Salary and working conditions must also be equivalent to those that apply to Swiss inhabitants.

In practice, "equivalent" ends up being 20/30% premium due to relocation costs, permit costs, etc. Still in the end, what the employee offers makes it all worth it. Of course, I didn't expect general public to know that... all they see is EU immigration exacerbating competition for jobs and put everyone in same basket. Really -the main issue is with picture of Taj Mahal and word "India" in that AD. The employer has a job that cannot be outsourced, and it's behaving as if they don't outsource as a matter of principles. Like I said, nothing is farther from truth. The very vehicles are from Germany!! Staff is almost always foreign. Nothing's wrong with that.. In fact, I'd have commended them if they had equal opportunity recruitment AD like they do in more advanced countries like the US.

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Old 19.10.2016, 16:55
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In practice, "equivalent" ends up being 20/30% premium due to relocation costs, permit costs, etc. Still in the end, what the employee offers makes it all worth it. Of course, I didn't expect general public to know that... all they see is EU immigration exacerbating competition for jobs and put everyone in same basket.
A healthy competition for jobs is not a bad thing for an economy and, come to think of it, remind me of the unemployment statistics in Switzerland?
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Old 19.10.2016, 16:58
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The moment you speak of non-EU working in CH, the salary part is usually least of the concerns of the employer. Ch.Ch website clearly lays down the criteria as: Salary and working conditions must also be equivalent to those that apply to Swiss inhabitants.
Indeed, but that doesn't mean that the the salary or working conditions are interesting to Swiss inhabitants.

Consider the number of Brazilian women working in night clubs versus the number of Swiss women doing the same, for example.

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number of Brazilian women working in night clubs versus the number of Swiss women doing the same, for example.
Let's not even touch the topic of women rights and gender discrimination.. that's whole another story. The league of playing field, I'm afraid, is beyond dancing, cooking, driving trams, sweeping floors, etc. While those jobs too are integral part of social fabric, such jobs almost always come with no permit sponsorship. Each of those Brazilian women you speak of, I'm sure have an interesting story to tell on how they made it here. The league of paying field I think of, when speaking of non-EU staff in Zurich is: high-tech (know Google?), pharma R&D, ETH labs, IBM Research, Microsoft, etc.

Again, for 4th time: the issue is with blatant right-wing advertising. In times where we'd hope for equal opportunity recruitment ADs, the ZVV/VBZ has taken 50 years step back.
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Let's not even touch the topic of women rights and gender discrimination.. that's whole another story. The league of playing field, I'm afraid, is beyond dancing, cooking, driving trams, sweeping floors, etc. While those jobs too are integral part of social fabric, such jobs almost always come with no permit sponsorship. The league of paying field I think of, when speaking of non-EU staff in Zurich is: high-tech (know Google?), pharma R&D, ETH labs, IBM Research, Microsoft, etc etc.

Again, for 4th time: the issue is with blatant right-wing advertising. In times where we'd hope for equal opportunity recruitment ADs, the ZVV/VBZ has taken 50 years step back.
I don't get what your issue is, though. You opened the thread with the premise that the tram advert was somehow offensive to Indians working in Zurich.

Now you are shouting about high tech companies hiring non-EU staff (or not, or whatever the issue is - it's not clear).

Presumably you are Indian (correct me if I'm wrong) and you yourself are offended by the ad. So far, nobody else seems in the slightest bit bothered by it.

We get that you are offended by it, which is your right, but that doesn't mean it is offensive.
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On the other hand, kids will look at the Taj Mahal picture. And ask where it is etc. And when they are adults may just visit it.

My dad worked a lot in India when i was a kid. I was mesmerised by photos of the Taj Mahal. He brought me back a lamp, which we had to build which was a small Taj Mahal. I had it for years.

I still dream of visiting the Taj Mahal!!
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The league of paying field I think of, when speaking of non-EU staff in Zurich is: high-tech (know Google?), pharma R&D, ETH labs, IBM Research, Microsoft, etc.

Again, for 4th time: the issue is with blatant right-wing advertising. In times where we'd hope for equal opportunity recruitment ADs, the ZVV/VBZ has taken 50 years step back.
You do not get it? First, ZVV and VBZ is not the same at all. I can not take you seriuos when you allready fail on that part.
Second, the advert is not about froeign people working IN Switzerland. The VBZ has quite diverese staff (do not know about the ZVV). The VBZ even recruited themselve bus drivers from aboard: http://www.nzz.ch/not-macht-erfinderisch-1.15083627

Oh: And my new issue is that you associate VBZ with low skilled jobs only. (If you still stick with ZVV: no low skilled jobs in that company for sure)
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I don't get what your issue is..
The new issue I have now, is incorrect association of non-EU workforce with low-skill jobs. That simply isn't true. Just so if it isn't clear so far - I come from left wing mentality and India, a non-EU country. And, I have issues with all right-wing and incorrect statements. As far as the AD goes, I have made it amply clear what my issues are with it.

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The employer has a job that cannot be outsourced, and it's behaving as if they don't outsource as a matter of principles. Like I said, nothing is farther from truth. The very vehicles are from Germany!! Staff is almost always foreign. Nothing's wrong with that.. In fact, I'd have commended them if they had equal opportunity recruitment AD like they do in more advanced countries like the US.
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One more reason why that AD is simply a lie, employer, whoever it is, pretending to be job savior for the public.
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the issue is with blatant right-wing advertising
What's wrong with right-wing advertising?

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The league of paying field I think of, when speaking of non-EU staff in Zurich is: high-tech (know Google?), pharma R&D, ETH labs, IBM Research, Microsoft, etc.
Same league as strippers and hookers, then.

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The new issue I have now, is incorrect association of non-EU workforce with low-skill jobs. That simply isn't true. Just so if it isn't clear so far - I come from left wing mentality and India, a non-EU country. And, I have issues with all right-wing and incorrect statements. As far as the AD goes, I have made it amply clear what my issues are with it.

One more reason why that AD is simply a lie, employer, whoever it is, pretending to be job savior for the public.
Clearly you are not working in banking/finance/insurance in that case with a massive influx of non-EU professionals.

Ironically there are many in the low-paid jobs which are from EU and new EU countries.

I tend to lean a bit left myself on the political scale but I would strongly object if the right wing was prevented from having a voice. In any case, your assumption that the tram ad was right wing. I disagree with that, it has a kind of subtle irony to it which seems to have been missed.
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Let's not even touch the topic of women rights and gender discrimination...
Yeah, India is so ahead of Switzerland in this area...
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