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Old 27.10.2016, 15:26
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Even when eating inside, the smokers still stink, and stink up the whole place.
Where do you eat that they still have smoking restaurants?
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Old 27.10.2016, 15:42
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Tom1234, there's one phrase in particular that springs to mind when reading all this diatribe, "Flogging a dead horse"

We all know you staunch anti smoking views and opinions, why not just leave it alone now.
They're not militant at all. I don't have a problem with smoking per say.

I have a problem with non-smokers having smoke inflicted on them in public places.
I have a problem with the message that Switzerland's smokers' attitude to smoking is sending the wrong message to future generations.

Other than that people can smoke when and where they want.
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Old 27.10.2016, 15:42
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Where do you eat that they still have smoking restaurants?
Smokers don't need to be actively smoking to stink. If you do enough of it, it certainly stays with you.
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Old 27.10.2016, 15:43
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50 mountains?

Which?

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The ones you climbed the other day and then skied down - with your eyes closed - whilst doing a handstand.
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Old 27.10.2016, 15:51
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Actually, most people have a bias depending what they're looking for. As it doesn't seem to bother you, you've probably not noticed it when it's happening. As it's clearly a hot-button issue for Tom, he's more likely to have noticed and registered it in his memory.
Not really, I find it funny the way the smokers here try and justify their selfishness and the fact that they can't see what they are doing is unpleasant for others.

They do get so wound up, I bet they're all reaching for their Marlboros.
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Old 27.10.2016, 15:55
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Smokers don't need to be actively smoking to stink. If you do enough of it, it certainly stays with you.
It is when these questions are asked that one gets a glimpse into how ignorant and unaware smokers are of the stench they have on them!!!!!
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Where do you eat that they still have smoking restaurants?
Oerlikon, Seebach & Greece Can you imagine if Tom lived in Greece!
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Re: Cigarette Smoke

Yes, we're living in an imperfect world. With smokers, loud people, drunkards and etc.


Btw, I'm not a smoker. I had some attempts in my early twenties, but it wasn't anything serious - the occasional cigarettes at parties.
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Old 27.10.2016, 16:01
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It is when these questions are asked that one gets a glimpse into how ignorant and unaware smokers are of the stench they have on them!!!!!
To be fair, the smell on someone's clothes is NOT passive smoking, though. If someone smells of smoke in a restaurant sitting next to you, it is just as unpleasant as a big fart or as someone who has marinaded themselves in Chanel.

Unpleasant and antisocial, yes. Dangerous and illegal, no.

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Quite, but they are clearly marked with "smoking area" or "fumoir". I would certainly not be seen dead in one of those places as I don't smoke but if a militant anti smoker comes out of there squealing about smelling of smoke then, sorry, then I have to ask how stupid they are for going in there in the first place.
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But you're not Swiss and you don't see it the way people do here.

I know of one Swiss non-smoker with three kids here who thought it was okay for people to smoke over kids because "They are allowed to. It's the law here".

I've talked to other people with a similar view.

It's the same view that people in the U.K. held up to around the eighties.
Quite distal, politely put, to commonsense as well as to reason. Extrapolation could be misleading in such debates by the way (e.g. "The Swiss" as a monolithic entity).
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Old 27.10.2016, 16:06
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To be fair, the smell on someone's clothes is NOT passive smoking, though. If someone smells of smoke in a restaurant sitting next to you, it is just as unpleasant as a big fart or as someone who has marinaded themselves in Chanel.

Unpleasant and antisocial, yes. Dangerous and illegal, no.
Some days the temptation to fart in a revolving door is just too much
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It is when these questions are asked that one gets a glimpse into how ignorant and unaware smokers are of the stench they have on them!!!!!
You honestly think we don't realise? Really? It's like saying joggers don't realise they stink of sweat after a run.

When I stopped smoking, I missed the banter in the smoking area at work immensely. After a few months, I went outside with the smokers at lunch just to talk about something other than new curtains, clothes and make-up. I've seen many friends give up over the years and still end up standing with the smokers because they missed the banter. For every person who says smoking is an anti-social activity, there's a smoker who will heartily disagree with you. That's just life... Nearly every activity has a huge social scene aspect to it, particularly motorbikes, sports & drinking.

In the great scheme of things, we're not here long, so do what makes you happy, think about your choices and be respectful of others. Being disrespectful will never win you friends. It will only draw other disrespectful people towards you.
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Old 27.10.2016, 16:42
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Not really, I find it funny the way the smokers here try and justify their selfishness and the fact that they can't see what they are doing is unpleasant for others.

They do get so wound up, I bet they're all reaching for their Marlboros.
Actually, the only people that seem to have gotten themselves wound up are a handful of non-smokers who seem to think it's perfectly fine to brand ALL smokers as selfish, uncivilised, stinking, unable to walk a short distance without wheezing, not to mention a legally backed intent on harming kids.

And that old chestnut that they are all "Swiss".

If grand, unsubstantiated and emotional sweeping statements and borderline insults, along with heavy use of personal anecdotes don't scream "I'm totally wound up", I don't know what does.
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Old 27.10.2016, 16:45
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If grand, unsubstantiated and emotional sweeping statements along with heavy use of anecdotes don't scream "I'm totally wound up", I don't know what does.
A dash of passive aggressive "Out of concern for their disregard to my and their health I think they should be shot" would be another subtle clue.
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Old 27.10.2016, 16:52
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Actually, the only people that seem to have gotten themselves wound up are a handful of non-smokers who seem to think it's perfectly fine to brand ALL smokers as selfish, uncivilised, stinking, unable to walk a short distance without wheezing, not to mention a legally backed intent on harming kids.

And that old chestnut that they are all "Swiss".

If grand, unsubstantiated and emotional sweeping statements and borderline insults, along with heavy use of personal anecdotes don't scream "I'm totally wound up", I don't know what does.

Maybe they should smoke a cig to chillout


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Old 27.10.2016, 17:40
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Re: Cigarette Smoke

It's a losing battle.

And us smokers are selfish. What about you "flapping your arms" non smokers?

We have given up alot over the past few years, not being able to smoke in restaurants, cafès, work places etc. All for you lot. And you are still not happy...

What are you going to do? Send all the smokers off to some Rehab place so you can live easy??

When we were able to smoke inside public places, i never heard one non-smoker complain, not one. But now you are all complaining about us smoking outside? To accomodate you. And you complain about a wiff of smoke on a train platform? Gimme a break.

Did you all stay at home in your bubbles when smoking was allowed in restaurants and bars? I doubt it.
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Old 27.10.2016, 18:15
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Actually, the only people that seem to have gotten themselves wound up are a handful of non-smokers who seem to think it's perfectly fine to brand ALL smokers as selfish, uncivilised, stinking, unable to walk a short distance without wheezing, not to mention a legally backed intent on harming kids.

And that old chestnut that they are all "Swiss".

If grand, unsubstantiated and emotional sweeping statements and borderline insults, along with heavy use of personal anecdotes don't scream "I'm totally wound up", I don't know what does.
It is interesting that it is mostly the smokers on here (1 or 2 exceptions I know, mainly from points south) who are so convinced that smokers are not selfish etc.

As far as I can work out, it is very much a Swiss attitude of if it's not legally prohibited then it must be allowed and no-one can tell me otherwise.

The Austrians are similar.
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Did you all stay at home in your bubbles when smoking was allowed in restaurants and bars? I doubt it.
It was "annoying" to go out and come back stinking like a filthy ashtray - and have to hang clothes out to air (for 24hrs) and/or put them straight in the wash.

(The judge disagreed that it was a valid reason for standing naked on my balcony and flashing the old dear in number 68.

I don't know what all the fuss was about - its not like the heart attack killed her - immediately.)
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It is interesting that it is mostly the smokers on here (1 or 2 exceptions I know, mainly from points south) who are so convinced that smokers are not selfish etc.

As far as I can work out, it is very much a Swiss attitude of if it's not legally prohibited then it must be allowed and no-one can tell me otherwise.

The Austrians are similar.
The main thrust of it is (at least from my point of view) is the "smokers are xyz" and "non-smokers are abc" not to mention "Swiss are 123". All of them? Really, every last single one of them?

Reading posts from some people on here (smokers and non smokers) they can put their point across with that rare ability not to generalise. Yes some smokers are selfish but some non-smokers are complete knobheads, too. The key word being "some", rather than "all".

About the "if it's not legally prohibited then it must be allowed", isn't that just a normal part of society? Most places are like that with different people pushing the boundaries with varying degrees of seeing what they can get away with.

It would be great if people would just stop generalising. If nothing else it's just a bit lazy.
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Quite distal, politely put, to commonsense as well as to reason. Extrapolation could be misleading in such debates by the way (e.g. "The Swiss" as a monolithic entity).
I'm talking about the Swiss as a nation.

The English are a nation of drinkers. Is that insulting or near the truth?

The Swiss, as a nation, vote directly for their laws and respect them more so because of it.

Misreading can be misleading.
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